From kde-core-devel  Wed Oct 30 17:25:24 2002
From: Simon Hausmann <hausmann () kde ! org>
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:25:24 +0000
To: kde-core-devel
Subject: Re: Clipboard problems (yes, again)
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:06:49AM -0800, Neil Stevens wrote:
> On Wednesday October 30, 2002 08:56, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > On Wednesday 30 October 2002 17:40, Neil Stevens wrote:
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> > > On Wednesday October 30, 2002 08:31, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> > > >  You don't want the feature that much anyway - if you really cared,
> > > > so you'd try something constructive. I have better things to do than
> > > > chatting with you.
> > >
> > > I did far more construction than you did.  Some of that which you
> > > insist that I don't want was put in by me - I'm the one who went and
> > > first tried to put the KDE standard clipboad behavior into klipper
> > > when others were getting worried that KDE 3 was going to brea
> > > behaviors that users had come to rely up on for the entire lifetime of
> > > KDE.
> >
> >  That's not what I meant. Be constructive now, and tell me why it
> > shouldn't be removed (e.g. 'the separated clipboard and selection have
> > the problem XXX' or 'the reason why the syncing should stay is because
> > ZYX'). That's what I want to hear, simple facts, I don't care about
> > 'waaah' or some politician-style talk.
> 
> The clipboard-manipulation features are needed to fix the design breakage 
> of QClipboard in Qt 3.  The features are needed in order to maintain the 
> standard clipboard behavior.
> 
> You cite ICCCM and freedesktop.org.  My rebuttals KDE 1.1.2 and KDE 2.2.2.  
> Both of those releases had a simpler clipboard model that happens to 
> differ from the one Qt 3 and KDE 3.0.1 default to.
> 
> If compatibility with all of KDE's history doesn't satisfy you, I think 
> nothing will.

Neil, what you can't deny is the fact that there are a couple of
really ugly bugs. These bugs need to be fixed. Lubos investigated
the issue and suggests a change to fix these bugs. Perhaps the
change is radical, but it is fixes these bugs.

If you believe that there is a better solution then go implement it
and propose the patch. If you think the bug is in Qt then create a
patch and discuss it with qt-bugs@trolltech.com.

Anything else isn't going to be of much help I believe.

Simon