From kde-core-devel Sun Aug 04 17:47:36 2002 From: Martijn Klingens Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:47:36 +0000 To: kde-core-devel Subject: Re: KDE Jabber Library X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=102848293301536 On Sunday 04 August 2002 18:53, Dominique Devriese wrote: > Martijn Klingens writes: > > Sure, Psi is a bit more mature, but Kopete isn't that far off. And > > offers a > > whole lot of other options that make it IMSNHO far more usable. > > Could you give some examples of that last statement ? Support for a single shared address book and soon the KDE address book, and support for other widley-used protocols to name the two most prominent. Each alone makes Kopete for me beat Jabber-only hands down, even for communication between KDE apps, without user interaction. Not to mention those two combined... > Btw. Jabber has some nice features too. The fact that it's XML > and open allows you to send special messages that aren't strictly > "messages" as in chit-chat. If you want to do that over something > like ICQ, you have to invent something like MIME for IM which allows > you to encapsulates different types of messages. Of course, there's > not much hope that MS or AOL would adopt KDE's extensions, so you're > doing non-standard stuff and no longer interoperable.. > Or am i missing something here ? Yes. You're more interoperable instead of 'no longer', since you use the already existing IM infrastructure as transport protocol. Whatever you transport over a given IM protocol is application dependent. It can be chit-chat, it can be an invitation, and what more. It's two different layers. Trying to combine the transport and the data in a single-protocol solution is for me the wrong approach, but of course you're allowed to have a different opinion. > > And the fact that those bridges often don't work because the > > bridging server > > is blocked by another protocol's server, yes. > > Don't the Kopete plugins suffer from those practices too ? No, because they use the protocol's native servers, so it's hard to block them, unlike a single Jabber bridge that can be blocked rather easily to block a whole truckload of users in a single step. Martijn