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Subject: Re: [announcement] Telegram bridging to be retired Wed. 20 Sept. | 5 to-dos
From: Niccolò_Ve <niccolo.venerandi () gmail ! com>
Date: 2023-08-23 16:28:02
Message-ID: CAHWRx6TJaD0pF0GjEjuT_Th0VpZD1OtP10rdAMXB1Nx_REjPXw () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 6:01 PM Ingo Kl=C3=B6cker <kloecker@kde.org> wrote:
> On Mittwoch, 23. August 2023 17:16:16 CEST Niccol=C3=B2 Ve wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 5:04 PM Ingo Kl=C3=B6cker <kloecker@kde.org> wrot=
e:
> > > On Mittwoch, 23. August 2023 16:55:25 CEST Niccol=C3=B2 Ve wrote:
> > > > > Postponing the deadline is not ideal, since there always will be
> > > > > people
> > > > > jumping out saying "Why wasn't I told" "Was it discussed before"
> again
> > > > > and again.
> > > >
> > > > Please note that the community was never told about this decision
> before
> > > > yesterday, and it was never discussed publicly.
> > >
> > > https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2023q2/007656.html
> >
> > Please read the link and the following emails. It's pretty clear that
> it's
> > not an announcement nor a request for discussion.
>
> To save others from having to click the link. The Subject of the linked
> message that was sent by Paul on 12 June 2023 reads
> "Telegram <-> Matrix bridges will be removed in September"
>
> I fail to understand how this is supposed to support your claim that "the
> community was never told about this decision before yesterday" because
> clearly
> Paul made the decision public more than 2 months ago with the linked
> message.
>
This is extremely misleading. If you actually read the post, Paul only
reports that he was told about the bridges by chance. The email is in no
way an official statement, and it's clear that - had that chance not
happened - we wouldn't have that either.
On top of that, the very first reply to that email clarifies that no such
decision had been taken, nor discussed. Thus, when reading that thread, it
seems like Paul had misunderstood and assumed the choice had been made when
it hadn't.
In retrospect he way right, but there was no way to know that.
Even worse, when a discussion regarding the (potential) decision raised,
Nate (rightfully!) shut it down by saying that, given that no official
decision or discussion was taken on the topic, it made no sense to start
discussing it.
If you actually read the email thread it is very much clear that it is *in
no way* any kind of announcement about the bridges. The thread clearly
reads as Paul said "Hey, I've been told bridges will go down on September,
is that true?!" and Kenny replying "oh, no, there's no such decision or
announcement, don't worry".
As I replied to you privately, I find it very insulting that you'd reply to
me with just one link, without actually reading what you yourself had
posted.
> Regards,
> Ingo
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<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 6:01 PM Ingo Klöcker <<a \
href="mailto:kloecker@kde.org">kloecker@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mittwoch, 23. August 2023 17:16:16 CEST Niccolò Ve \
wrote:<br> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 5:04 PM Ingo Klöcker <<a \
href="mailto:kloecker@kde.org" target="_blank" \
rel="noreferrer">kloecker@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> > > On Mittwoch, 23. \
August 2023 16:55:25 CEST Niccolò Ve wrote:<br> > > > > Postponing the \
deadline is not ideal, since there always will be<br> > > > > people<br>
> > > > jumping out saying "Why wasn't I told" "Was it \
discussed before" again<br> > > > > and again.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Please note that the community was never told about this decision \
before<br> > > > yesterday, and it was never discussed publicly.<br>
> > <br>
> > <a href="https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2023q2/007656.html" \
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2023q2/007656.html</a><br>
> <br>
> Please read the link and the following emails. It's pretty clear that \
it's<br> > not an announcement nor a request for discussion.<br>
<br>
To save others from having to click the link. The Subject of the linked <br>
message that was sent by Paul on 12 June 2023 reads<br>
"Telegram <-> Matrix bridges will be removed in September"<br>
<br>
I fail to understand how this is supposed to support your claim that "the <br>
community was never told about this decision before yesterday" because clearly \
<br> Paul made the decision public more than 2 months ago with the linked \
message.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This \
is extremely misleading. If you actually read the post, Paul only reports that he was \
told about the bridges by chance. The email is in no way an official statement, and \
it's clear that - had that chance not happened - we wouldn't have that \
either.</div><div dir="auto">On top of that, the very first reply to that email \
clarifies that no such decision had been taken, nor discussed. Thus, when reading \
that thread, it seems like Paul had misunderstood and assumed the choice had been \
made when it hadn't.</div><div dir="auto">In retrospect he way right, but there \
was no way to know that.</div><div dir="auto">Even worse, when a discussion regarding \
the (potential) decision raised, Nate (rightfully!) shut it down by saying that, \
given that no official decision or discussion was taken on the topic, it made no \
sense to start discussing it.</div><div dir="auto">If you actually read the email \
thread it is very much clear that it is *in no way* any kind of announcement about \
the bridges. The thread clearly reads as Paul said "Hey, I've been told \
bridges will go down on September, is that true?!" and Kenny replying "oh, \
no, there's no such decision or announcement, don't worry".</div><div \
dir="auto">As I replied to you privately, I find it very insulting that you'd \
reply to me with just one link, without actually reading what you yourself had \
posted.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
Regards,<br>
Ingo</blockquote></div></div></div>
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