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Subject: Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
From: Dmitry Kazakov <dimula73 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2021-05-26 8:56:08
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Hi, all!
Is there any KDE-wide decision on that? Is there any work done on migration
from freenode to libera? I mean, if a KDE-project wants to migrate from
freenode to libera, what should it do? Do that individually or wait until
the whole organisation does that in a bucket?
As far as I can see the following steps are needed:
1) Register the project within libera somehow. There was some form to fill
in, but I cannot find it now.
2) Relink the matrix bridge from the old network to the new location.
I guess we can register the channel ourselves, but relinking matrix bridge
is something out of our control. What should we do for that?
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 9:20 AM Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:
> Dear KDE community,
>
> it appears that over night, the now new management of freenode started to
> revenge-ban former staff from their servers, therefore I am now unable to
> connect to freenode and connect to / help out with KDE there.
>
> They also post heavily cropped private chatlogs on their blog so that they
> push their views. https://freenode.net/news/for-foss
> full chat log at the bottom of the mail, since the cropped part was
> released
> without me being asked, I have to assume it's fine to release the rest as
> well.
>
> In addition to that, former official channels from projects that moved to
> a
> different place were taken over by the new management.
> https://mastodon.sdf.org/@kline/106299403921451814
> https://twitter.com/UndeadDrMcCoy/status/1397400278916386820
>
>
> I've been asked in a KDE channel by a member on why I suggest moving, so:
> yeah, this is it. Seizing official channels you do not represent and
> banning
> members of the community for no reason other than revenge, even though I
> am
> obviously biased, I really think this is the kind of place that FLOSS
> projects
> should abandon.
>
> On more positive sidenotes: We had a very constructive chat with Matrix
> folk
> earlier this week and are now building up stuff to allow briding, so
> should
> KDE want to move over, we'd hopefully soon have a Matrix (and thus also
> Telegram) bridge available.
>
>
> Kind regards and thanks for the decade of support on freenode,
>
> Christian
>
>
> ---
>
> Full chatlog that got croppedly released by Andrew Lee.
> As usual, people are free to make up their own opinion if they have the
> full
> information, and not just bits and pieces.
>
>
> cat 2021-05-11.log
> [19:45:43] <rasengan> Hey there, please join #freenode-board -- this is an
> official message sent in my capacity as the owner of Freenode.
> Additionally,
> if you can please use my gpg key and share with me all of the credentials
> of
> Freenode. Thank you in advance. Just to be clear, this is an official
> message from the ownership of Freenode.
> [21:05:30] <rasengan> Hi Fuchs, do you have plans to comply? This is an
> official request from the Freenode Board
>
> cat 2021-05-25.log
> [21:15:32] <Fuchs> well, good evening, "sole board member and chairman of
> freenode"
> [21:15:49] <Fuchs> I assume that didn't go exactly as you planned when you
> unleashed your bloodhounds, and when you called for my resignation
> [21:16:20] <Fuchs> free tip for next time: money might buy you domains or
> assets, but it will never buy you the right people, it will never buy you
> true
> loyality and, most importantly, it will never buy you a community
> [21:16:49] <Fuchs> go and build one, with dedication and hard work. Good
> luck.
> [21:17:54] <rasengan> ?
> [21:19:01] <rasengan> Fuchs, you know very well my support for FOSS has
> been
> strong, what happened here, and why.
> [21:19:16] <Fuchs> trivial:
> [21:19:35] <Fuchs> you sent your bloodhound lawyers after a well respected
> community member, after _you_ misunderstood blog posts and resignation
> letters
> [21:19:45] <Fuchs> I know christel already corrected you on your gist,
> shame
> you never updated that
> [21:19:57] <Fuchs> I assume by now you also know that there never was a
> "merger" between OFTC and freenode planned
> [21:20:01] <rasengan> You are very incorrect Fuchs.
> [21:20:11] <rasengan> Secondly, you sent your mob on me.
> [21:20:19] <Fuchs> and then you tried to throw out respected members of
> the
> community, and you replaced them with people that have 0 credibility in
> the
> FOSS world, in some cases even a negative one
> [21:20:21] <rasengan> The same mob you leashed on others and I, now I know
> I
> was wrong to, protected you.
> [21:20:25] <rasengan> I can't believe why you're doing this.
> [21:20:33] <Fuchs> then you really can't be helped, I guess
> [21:20:36] <Fuchs> good luck in your reality
> [21:20:51] <Fuchs> and enjoy the scorched earth and smoking ruins and
> ashes
> that you inherited, killer of IRC
> [21:21:02] <rasengan> Fuchs, you are wrong to speak ill of the new
> freenode
> volunteers.
> [21:21:08] <rasengan> They've done quite a bit for FOSS and are
> respectable
> people.
> [21:21:11] <rasengan> Attack me all you want.
> [21:21:17] <rasengan> Not the volunteers. Fair?
> [21:21:39] <Fuchs> Oh, I don't attack them. The community already has
> spoken
> on them, I'm rather sure, from the logs I have
> [21:21:46] <Fuchs> and I don't attack you either
> [21:21:52] <Fuchs> I explain to you what you seem to not want to understand
> [21:21:55] <rasengan> But, can you personally refrain from propelling
> negativity toward the team members?
> [21:22:15] <Fuchs> if you prefer ingorance: go ahead, and watch the rest
> of
> the communities, projects and sponsors leave you as well. And keep asking
> yourself why.
> [21:22:23] <Fuchs> you went after my friends, Andrew
> [21:22:26] <rasengan> In the meantime, let me try to save freenode. If
> you
> want to come back in the future let me know. I can forgive you, honestly.
> [21:22:32] <Fuchs> what I did here was way more friendlynes than you
> deserve
> [21:22:43] <rasengan> Thank you for that.
> [21:22:47] <Fuchs> if you don't want it: fine. Good luck, king of the
> scorched
> earth that once was freenode.
> [21:23:00] <Fuchs> haha, _you_ forgiving _me_, that's gold
> [21:23:11] <Fuchs> good luck then, I shall leave you alone and go build
> better.
> [21:23:27] <rasengan> I do forgive you.
> [21:23:35] <rasengan> And I also hope for the best for Libera.
> [21:23:37] <rasengan> Cheers.
>
>
>
--
Dmitry Kazakov
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<div dir="ltr">Hi, all!<div><br></div><div>Is there any KDE-wide decision on that? Is \
there any work done on migration from freenode to libera? I mean, if a KDE-project \
wants to migrate from freenode to libera, what should it do? Do that individually or \
wait until the whole organisation does that in a bucket?</div><div><br></div><div>As \
far as I can see the following steps are needed:</div><div><br></div><div>1) \
Register the project within libera somehow. There was some form to fill in, but I \
cannot find it now.</div><div>2) Relink the matrix bridge from the old network to the \
new location.</div><div><br></div><div>I guess we can register the channel ourselves, \
but relinking matrix bridge is something out of our control. What should we do for \
that?</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On \
Wed, May 26, 2021 at 9:20 AM Christian Loosli <<a \
href="mailto:kde@fuchsnet.ch">kde@fuchsnet.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear KDE community, <br> <br>
it appears that over night, the now new management of freenode started to <br>
revenge-ban former staff from their servers, therefore I am now unable to <br>
connect to freenode and connect to / help out with KDE there. <br>
<br>
They also post heavily cropped private chatlogs on their blog so that they <br>
push their views. <a href="https://freenode.net/news/for-foss" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://freenode.net/news/for-foss</a><br> full chat log at the \
bottom of the mail, since the cropped part was released <br> without me being asked, \
I have to assume it's fine to release the rest as <br> well. <br>
<br>
In addition to that, former official channels from projects that moved to a <br>
different place were taken over by the new management.<br>
<a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/@kline/106299403921451814" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://mastodon.sdf.org/@kline/106299403921451814</a><br> <a \
href="https://twitter.com/UndeadDrMcCoy/status/1397400278916386820" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://twitter.com/UndeadDrMcCoy/status/1397400278916386820</a><br> \
<br> <br>
I've been asked in a KDE channel by a member on why I suggest moving, so:<br>
yeah, this is it. Seizing official channels you do not represent and banning <br>
members of the community for no reason other than revenge, even though I am <br>
obviously biased, I really think this is the kind of place that FLOSS projects <br>
should abandon. <br>
<br>
On more positive sidenotes: We had a very constructive chat with Matrix folk <br>
earlier this week and are now building up stuff to allow briding, so should <br>
KDE want to move over, we'd hopefully soon have a Matrix (and thus also <br>
Telegram) bridge available. <br>
<br>
<br>
Kind regards and thanks for the decade of support on freenode, <br>
<br>
Christian <br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
<br>
Full chatlog that got croppedly released by Andrew Lee. <br>
As usual, people are free to make up their own opinion if they have the full <br>
information, and not just bits and pieces. <br>
<br>
<br>
cat 2021-05-11.log <br>
[19:45:43] <rasengan> Hey there, please join #freenode-board -- this is an <br>
official message sent in my capacity as the owner of Freenode. Additionally, <br>
if you can please use my gpg key and share with me all of the credentials of <br>
Freenode. Thank you in advance. Just to be clear, this is an official <br>
message from the ownership of Freenode.<br>
[21:05:30] <rasengan> Hi Fuchs, do you have plans to comply? This is an <br>
official request from the Freenode Board<br>
<br>
cat 2021-05-25.log<br>
[21:15:32] <Fuchs> well, good evening, "sole board member and chairman of \
<br> freenode" <br>
[21:15:49] <Fuchs> I assume that didn't go exactly as you planned when you \
<br> unleashed your bloodhounds, and when you called for my resignation <br>
[21:16:20] <Fuchs> free tip for next time: money might buy you domains or \
<br> assets, but it will never buy you the right people, it will never buy you true \
<br> loyality and, most importantly, it will never buy you a community<br>
[21:16:49] <Fuchs> go and build one, with dedication and hard work. Good luck. \
<br> [21:17:54] <rasengan> ?<br>
[21:19:01] <rasengan> Fuchs, you know very well my support for FOSS has been \
<br> strong, what happened here, and why.<br>
[21:19:16] <Fuchs> trivial: <br>
[21:19:35] <Fuchs> you sent your bloodhound lawyers after a well respected <br>
community member, after _you_ misunderstood blog posts and resignation letters<br>
[21:19:45] <Fuchs> I know christel already corrected you on your gist, shame \
<br> you never updated that<br>
[21:19:57] <Fuchs> I assume by now you also know that there never was a <br>
"merger" between OFTC and freenode planned<br>
[21:20:01] <rasengan> You are very incorrect Fuchs.<br>
[21:20:11] <rasengan> Secondly, you sent your mob on me.<br>
[21:20:19] <Fuchs> and then you tried to throw out respected members of the \
<br> community, and you replaced them with people that have 0 credibility in the <br>
FOSS world, in some cases even a negative one<br>
[21:20:21] <rasengan> The same mob you leashed on others and I, now I know I \
<br> was wrong to, protected you.<br>
[21:20:25] <rasengan> I can't believe why you're doing this.<br>
[21:20:33] <Fuchs> then you really can't be helped, I guess<br>
[21:20:36] <Fuchs> good luck in your reality <br>
[21:20:51] <Fuchs> and enjoy the scorched earth and smoking ruins and ashes \
<br> that you inherited, killer of IRC <br>
[21:21:02] <rasengan> Fuchs, you are wrong to speak ill of the new freenode \
<br> volunteers.<br>
[21:21:08] <rasengan> They've done quite a bit for FOSS and are respectable \
<br> people.<br>
[21:21:11] <rasengan> Attack me all you want.<br>
[21:21:17] <rasengan> Not the volunteers. Fair?<br>
[21:21:39] <Fuchs> Oh, I don't attack them. The community already has \
spoken <br> on them, I'm rather sure, from the logs I have <br>
[21:21:46] <Fuchs> and I don't attack you either<br>
[21:21:52] <Fuchs> I explain to you what you seem to not want to understand<br>
[21:21:55] <rasengan> But, can you personally refrain from propelling <br>
negativity toward the team members?<br>
[21:22:15] <Fuchs> if you prefer ingorance: go ahead, and watch the rest of \
<br> the communities, projects and sponsors leave you as well. And keep asking <br>
yourself why. <br>
[21:22:23] <Fuchs> you went after my friends, Andrew<br>
[21:22:26] <rasengan> In the meantime, let me try to save freenode. If you \
<br> want to come back in the future let me know. I can forgive you, honestly.<br>
[21:22:32] <Fuchs> what I did here was way more friendlynes than you \
deserve<br> [21:22:43] <rasengan> Thank you for that.<br>
[21:22:47] <Fuchs> if you don't want it: fine. Good luck, king of the \
scorched <br> earth that once was freenode. <br>
[21:23:00] <Fuchs> haha, _you_ forgiving _me_, that's gold<br>
[21:23:11] <Fuchs> good luck then, I shall leave you alone and go build <br>
better. <br>
[21:23:27] <rasengan> I do forgive you.<br>
[21:23:35] <rasengan> And I also hope for the best for Libera.<br>
[21:23:37] <rasengan> Cheers.<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_signature">Dmitry Kazakov</div>
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