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Subject: Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
From: Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman () gmail ! com>
Date: 2021-05-20 2:23:41
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On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:58 PM Aleix Pol <aleixpol@kde.org> wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:45 PM Martin Flöser <mgraesslin@kde.org> wrote:
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 10:34:26 CEST schrieb Christian:
> > > Dear KDE community,
> > >
> > > KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a
> > > little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and
> successfully
> > > so.
> >
> > Thanks for informing us. This sounds horrible and must have been a very
> > stressful time for all of you staffers.
> >
> > > Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com)
> > > learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected
> > > freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the
> > > logs linked on [4] [5] [6]
> > > Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public.
> >
> > Given that this is driven by shells.com I think the KDE community
> should step
> > up and remove all references to shells.com. Their behavior in this case
> goes
> > clearly against our values.
>
> It seems to me that we are jumping to conclusions only based on hearsay.
>
> Today at the Board call we talked with Fuchs and Duffus about
> Freenode. I've reached out to our Shells contact to see what's
> happening and will be talking to them soon.
> At this point the connection between this Freenode kerfuffle and
> Shells is unclear to me, I'd prefer to understand what the situation
> is before we ban them from our websites because they're somehow
> related by blood.
>
> Aleix
>
I'm very happy to hear that the Board talked to everyone and reached out to
Shells. Having read loads of logs about this, if the Board decided to hand
Shells back their contribution, I would give some extra money to help cover
that if necessary.
The sooner we can leave freenode in peace and good order, in my opinion,
the better. I love IRC, and I used to love freenode, but it is sullied now.
Valorie <--- speaking only for myself
--
http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:58 PM Aleix Pol <<a \
href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org">aleixpol@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:45 PM Martin Flöser \
<<a href="mailto:mgraesslin@kde.org" target="_blank">mgraesslin@kde.org</a>> \
wrote:<br> ><br>
> Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 10:34:26 CEST schrieb Christian:<br>
> > Dear KDE community,<br>
> ><br>
> > KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a<br>
> > little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and \
successfully<br> > > so.<br>
><br>
> Thanks for informing us. This sounds horrible and must have been a very<br>
> stressful time for all of you staffers.<br>
><br>
> > Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now <a \
href="http://shells.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">shells.com</a>)<br> > \
> learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected<br> > > \
freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the<br> > > \
logs linked on [4] [5] [6]<br> > > Therefore making the takover attempt and \
some details public.<br> ><br>
> Given that this is driven by <a href="http://shells.com" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">shells.com</a> I think the KDE community should step<br> > up and \
remove all references to <a href="http://shells.com" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">shells.com</a>. Their behavior in this case goes<br> > clearly \
against our values.<br> <br>
It seems to me that we are jumping to conclusions only based on hearsay.<br>
<br>
Today at the Board call we talked with Fuchs and Duffus about<br>
Freenode. I've reached out to our Shells contact to see what's<br>
happening and will be talking to them soon.<br>
At this point the connection between this Freenode kerfuffle and<br>
Shells is unclear to me, I'd prefer to understand what the situation<br>
is before we ban them from our websites because they're somehow<br>
related by blood.<br>
<br>
Aleix<br></blockquote><div><br></div>I'm very happy to hear that the Board talked \
to everyone and reached out to Shells. Having read loads of logs about this, if the \
Board decided to hand Shells back their contribution, I would give some extra money \
to help cover that if necessary. <div><br></div><div>The sooner we can leave \
freenode in peace and good order, in my opinion, the better. I love IRC, and I used \
to love freenode, but it is sullied now.</div><div><br></div><div>Valorie <--- \
speaking only for myself </div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="http://about.me/valoriez" \
target="_blank">http://about.me/valoriez</a> - pronouns: \
she/her<br></div></div></div></div>
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