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Subject: Re: Apology
From: Niccolò_Ve <niccolo.venerandi () gmail ! com>
Date: 2021-03-26 22:15:25
Message-ID: CAHWRx6R07RgASpeBFsVy+QRLG4fX2nwNC3itT2UBNOGjN_BZKQ () mail ! gmail ! com
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Hi.
> Posts about Richard Stallman are off-topic and will not be allowed.
This is... plain out wrong. Off topic means off topic.
A RMS reply to a thread about RMS is NOT off topic.
If you want to shutdown the discussion, just say so.
The fact that RMS is not "the issue" (he's surely _an_ issue...) does not
change that
the kde community email was about RMS. I sent an email 10 hours *before*
this apology.
It was rejected just* now.* As offtopic.
I did not like that thread, but this handling of the situation is plain out
bad. This apology
mail only made things worse. If I did not know about KDE, I'd say that they
are censoring
the discussion. Instead I'm just embarrassed.
Even the original motivation for putting the ML under moderation could've
been worded better,
it raised complaints from some people I know.
Putting an email under manual moderation requires that manual moderation to
happen much,
much faster than 10 hours. If help is needed in moderating, please say so.
If you want to shutdown the discussion about RMS, say it was getting too
aggressive, not that
it's "offtopic".
Niccolò
Il giorno ven 26 mar 2021 alle ore 20:36 Valorie Zimmerman <
valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Hello my friends,
>
> When I put this list on emergency moderation, I felt that this was
> necessary. It still seems so, but I want to lift moderation as soon as
> possible.
>
> I may have played a part in continuing the negative thread that "wouldn't
> die" by expressing my own opinion. I should have followed my own advice and
> walked away after writing my email and then removed parts which expressed a
> personal opinion.
>
> While I may disagree with others about the value of RMS to Free Software,
> he is not the issue. The more organizations I've been involved with, the
> more I realize the value of good governance. The FSF has been critical to
> the growth of Free Software, and the recent news about their Board is very
> worrying.
>
> My statement did not do anything to convey that or to help, and for that I
> am truly sorry.
>
> Posts about Richard Stallman are off-topic and will not be allowed.
>
> Thanks to those of you who called my attention to my part in all of this.
>
> All the best to each of you, to KDE and all of the Free software
> communities,
>
> Valorie
>
> --
> http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
>
--
Niccolò Venerandi
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<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi.</div><div><br><div>> Posts about Richard Stallman are \
off-topic and will not be allowed. </div><div><br></div><div>This is... plain out \
wrong. Off topic means off topic.</div><div>A RMS reply to a thread about RMS is NOT \
off topic.</div><div>If you want to shutdown the discussion, just say \
so.</div><div>The fact that RMS is not "the issue" (he's surely _an_ \
issue...) does not change that <br></div><div>the kde community email was about RMS. \
I sent an email 10 hours <b>before</b> this apology. <br></div><div>It was rejected \
just<b> now.</b> As offtopic.</div><div><br></div><div>I did not like that thread, \
but this handling of the situation is plain out bad. This apology</div><div>mail only \
made things worse. If I did not know about KDE, I'd say that they are \
censoring</div><div>the discussion. Instead I'm just \
embarrassed.</div><div><br></div><div>Even the original motivation for putting the ML \
under moderation could've been worded better,</div><div>it raised complaints from \
some people I know.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Putting an email under manual \
moderation requires that manual moderation to happen much,</div><div>much faster than \
10 hours. If help is needed in moderating, please say so.</div><div>If you want to \
shutdown the discussion about RMS, say it was getting too aggressive, not \
that</div><div>it's \
"offtopic".</div><div><br></div><div>Niccolò<br></div></div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno ven 26 mar 2021 alle \
ore 20:36 Valorie Zimmerman <<a \
href="mailto:valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com">valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com</a>> ha \
scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello \
my friends,<div><br></div><div>When I put this list on emergency moderation, I felt \
that this was necessary. It still seems so, but I want to lift moderation as soon as \
possible. </div><div><br></div><div>I may have played a part in continuing the \
negative thread that "wouldn't die" by expressing my own opinion. I \
should have followed my own advice and walked away after writing my email and then \
removed parts which expressed a personal opinion. </div><div><br>While I may \
disagree with others about the value of RMS to Free Software, he is not the issue. \
The more organizations I've been involved with, the more I realize the value of \
good governance. The FSF has been critical to the growth of Free Software, and the \
recent news about their Board is very worrying. <br><br>My statement did not do \
anything to convey that or to help, and for that I am truly sorry. \
</div><div><br></div><div>Posts about Richard Stallman are off-topic and will not be \
allowed. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to those of you who called my attention to \
my part in all of this. </div><div><br></div><div>All the best to each of you, to \
KDE and all of the Free software \
communities,</div><div><br></div><div>Valorie</div><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div \
dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="http://about.me/valoriez" \
target="_blank">http://about.me/valoriez</a> - pronouns: \
she/her<br></div></div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- \
<br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Niccolò Venerandi<br><div \
style="font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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