[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]
List: kde-community
Subject: Re: RMS and open letter
From: "Agustin Benito (toscalix)" <abenito () kde ! org>
Date: 2021-03-24 9:29:27
Message-ID: CAPNLKcMEqe1tvP_AsLUTK5buPkzUVCbJDpOqA1ozaEHTPwrVhg () mail ! gmail ! com
[Download RAW message or body]
Hello,
If we would judge the legacy of a human being by his/her behaviour, there
would be no rock&roll.
Best Regards
Agustin Benito (toscalix)
KDE eV member
Profile: http://www.toscalix.com
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 10:17 AM Jos van den Oever <jos@vandenoever.info>
wrote:
> On woensdag 24 maart 2021 07:36:22 CET Sune Vuorela wrote:
> > On 2021-03-24, Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thanks, Carl. I would like to point out that Carl posted his
> suggestion to
> > > the individual people on this list. He did not propose that the KDE
> e.V.
> > > officially take a stand.
> >
> > Then I'd like to propose that KDE signs it.
>
> I propose that KDE does not sign it. KDE can make its own statement.
>
> It's easy to press 'like' or 'i agree' without carefully reading what you
> are
> agreeing to. And consider that by agreeing to this letter you are creating
> ammunition by which FOSS can be attacked.
>
> The statement that is currently proposed is an unproductive and divisive
> statement and has been engineered to be. Or it was written in a rage
> without
> much thought. At any rate, when you sign it, consider the full text.
>
> If you intend to sign that letter, please read it carefully and consider
> the
> blanket statements against Free Software in it. The letter was initiated
> by a
> former President of OSI [1].
>
> The GitHub organization that initiated the letter is anonymous:
> https://github.com/rms-open-letter
> The texts "We, the undersigned, believe in the necessity of digital
> autonomy"
> and "We believe in a present and a future where all technology empowers –
> not
> oppresses – people." sound hollow if it is hosted on GitHub, an
> undemocratic
> website where only the owners have influence on how it is run.
>
> Why is the letter hosted there? It it because no FOSS organization wanted
> to
> host a letter worded like that? I think so. Instead of getting a nuanced
> opinion this letter cherry-picks signatures from across communities.
>
> The letter says:
>
> "It is time for RMS to step back from the free software, tech ethics,
> digital
> rights, and tech communities"
>
> So sign this letter, you agree that he's an outcast.
>
> "We ask for contributors to free software projects to take a stand against
> bigotry and hate within their projects."
>
> So everyone that signs this bigoted and hateful letter should step away?
>
> In the coming days, there'll be statements by FOSS organizations, public,
> or
> directly to the board of the FSF about this surprising board addition. But
> let's make them better than the letter that is proposed here.
>
> ⤳Jos
>
> [1] https://opensource.org/node/1028
>
[Attachment #3 (text/html)]
<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br clear="all"><div><br></div><div>If we would judge the legacy \
of a human being by his/her behaviour, there would be no rock&roll. \
<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards<br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div \
dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Agustin Benito \
(toscalix)<br>KDE eV member<br>Profile: <a href="http://www.toscalix.com" \
target="_blank">http://www.toscalix.com</a></div></div><br></div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 10:17 \
AM Jos van den Oever <<a \
href="mailto:jos@vandenoever.info">jos@vandenoever.info</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On woensdag 24 maart \
2021 07:36:22 CET Sune Vuorela wrote:<br> > On 2021-03-24, Valorie Zimmerman \
<<a href="mailto:valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > Thanks, \
Carl. I would like to point out that Carl posted his suggestion to<br> > > the \
individual people on this list. He did not propose that the KDE e.V.<br> > > \
officially take a stand.<br> > <br>
> Then I'd like to propose that KDE signs it.<br>
<br>
I propose that KDE does not sign it. KDE can make its own statement.<br>
<br>
It's easy to press 'like' or 'i agree' without carefully reading \
what you are <br> agreeing to. And consider that by agreeing to this letter you are \
creating <br> ammunition by which FOSS can be attacked.<br>
<br>
The statement that is currently proposed is an unproductive and divisive <br>
statement and has been engineered to be. Or it was written in a rage without <br>
much thought. At any rate, when you sign it, consider the full text.<br>
<br>
If you intend to sign that letter, please read it carefully and consider the <br>
blanket statements against Free Software in it. The letter was initiated by a <br>
former President of OSI [1].<br>
<br>
The GitHub organization that initiated the letter is anonymous:<br>
<a href="https://github.com/rms-open-letter" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://github.com/rms-open-letter</a><br> The texts "We, the \
undersigned, believe in the necessity of digital autonomy" <br> and "We \
believe in a present and a future where all technology empowers – not <br> \
oppresses – people." sound hollow if it is hosted on GitHub, an undemocratic \
<br> website where only the owners have influence on how it is run.<br>
<br>
Why is the letter hosted there? It it because no FOSS organization wanted to <br>
host a letter worded like that? I think so. Instead of getting a nuanced <br>
opinion this letter cherry-picks signatures from across communities.<br>
<br>
The letter says:<br>
<br>
"It is time for RMS to step back from the free software, tech ethics, digital \
<br> rights, and tech communities"<br>
<br>
So sign this letter, you agree that he's an outcast.<br>
<br>
"We ask for contributors to free software projects to take a stand against <br>
bigotry and hate within their projects."<br>
<br>
So everyone that signs this bigoted and hateful letter should step away?<br>
<br>
In the coming days, there'll be statements by FOSS organizations, public, or <br>
directly to the board of the FSF about this surprising board addition. But <br>
let's make them better than the letter that is proposed here.<br>
<br>
⤳Jos<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://opensource.org/node/1028" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://opensource.org/node/1028</a><br> </blockquote></div>
[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]
Configure |
About |
News |
Add a list |
Sponsored by KoreLogic