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List:       kde-community
Subject:    Re: KDE Apps name trademarks
From:       Hörmetjan_Yiltiz <hyiltiz () gmail ! com>
Date:       2020-07-13 16:44:40
Message-ID: CAM5FmSNgnQYs+9AuagH+pm_0+hriQkJnbDH6tOs0mZ8qShUsFQ () mail ! gmail ! com
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kdenlive is still falsely advertised by others, based on Duckduckgo results
(already reported to duckduckgo using their Report Ad button, but not sure
how many reports does it take to trigger an action from them). This may be
prevalent in other common search engines.
https://imgur.com/LSvIiOH
Best,
H=C3=B6rmet




On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:04 AM Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org> wrote:

> That being said, to answer your actual question, I would treat this in
> several elements:
>
>>
>>    1. Do we want to trademark the names of more KDE products (I say
>>    "more" since "KDE" is already trademarked, so arguably at least one p=
roduct
>>    is already trademarked). I personally have no strong opinion, but I a=
gree
>>    that trademarking can discourage modification. There are ways to miti=
gate
>>    that, including publishing a trademark policy, offering a contact poi=
nt to
>>    ask about the acceptability of changes, and facilitating renaming, fo=
r
>>    example by adding a compilation option to set a different name. I wou=
ld
>>    also suggest committing to publish a list of all trademark enforcemen=
t
>>    actions done, so those who consider modifying can get an idea of what=
 will
>>    actually be accepted or not.
>>
>>
>>    1. If we do agree to trademark more names, which names? We tend to
>>    have lots of names for lots of projects, many of which I suppose may =
take a
>>    while to be sufficiently important to justify trademarking. I propose=
 a
>>    wiki page as a way to list candidates and poll developers about each
>>
>>
>>    1. For those names we do trademark, how much should the =E2=84=A2 sym=
bol be
>>    used? I would not like seeing it everywhere, but I do not mind seeing=
 it in
>>    the About screen, for instance.
>>    2. Who would own those trademarks?
>>
>>
> My proposal would be to trademark all app names since they are all liable
> to be hijacked by third parties for whatever purposes.  It would mean
> adding a =E2=84=A2 symbol on web pages where we promote those apps.  They=
 would
> be owned by KDE e.v.  Other apps like KOffice have done this in the past =
as
> I say.  However it seems nobody is very much in suppose of the idea so
> we'll just have to live with third parties living off our good names.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>

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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">kdenlive is still \
falsely advertised by others, based on Duckduckgo results (already reported to \
duckduckgo using their Report Ad button, but not sure how many reports does it take \
to trigger an action from them). This may be prevalent in other common search \
engines.</div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a \
href="https://imgur.com/LSvIiOH" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/LSvIiOH</a><span \
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div \
class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span \
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Best,</span><br></div><div><div \
dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><font \
size="2">Hörmet</font><br></div><div \
dir="ltr"><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 6:04 AM \
Jonathan Riddell &lt;<a href="mailto:jr@jriddell.org" \
target="_blank">jr@jriddell.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">That being said, to answer your \
actual question, I would treat  this in several elements:<div \
class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>  <ol>
      <li>Do we want to trademark the names of more KDE products (I say
        &quot;more&quot; since &quot;KDE&quot; is already trademarked, so arguably at \
least  one product is already trademarked). I personally have no strong
        opinion, but I agree that trademarking can discourage
        modification. There are ways to mitigate that, including
        publishing a trademark policy, offering a contact point to ask
        about the acceptability of changes, and facilitating renaming,
        for example by adding a compilation option to set a different
        name. I would also suggest committing to publish a list of all
        trademark enforcement actions done, so those who consider
        modifying can get an idea of what will actually be accepted or
        not.</li></ol></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><ol>  <li>If we do agree to trademark more \
names, which names? We tend  to have lots of names for lots of projects, many of \
which I  suppose may take a while to be sufficiently important to justify
        trademarking. I propose a wiki page as a way to list candidates
        and poll developers about each <br></li></ol></div></blockquote><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
                rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><ol>
      <li>For those names we do trademark, how much should the <span>™ \
</span>symbol be used? I would not like  seeing it everywhere, but I do not mind \
seeing it in the About  screen, for instance.</li>
      <li>Who would own those \
trademarks?<br></li></ol></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div>My proposal would be to trademark all app names since they \
are all liable to be hijacked by third parties for whatever purposes.   It would mean \
adding a <span>™ </span>symbol on web pages where we promote those apps.   They \
would be owned by KDE e.v.   Other apps like KOffice have done this in the past as I \
say.   However it seems nobody is very much in suppose of the idea so we&#39;ll just \
have to live with third parties living off our good \
names.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonathan</div><div><br></div></div><div \
class="gmail_quote"><br></div></div> </blockquote></div>



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