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List:       kde-community
Subject:    Re: The chat situation
From:       Bernie Innocenti <bernie () codewiz ! org>
Date:       2020-06-11 6:38:20
Message-ID: 855153c9-e6a8-dab9-5a5e-4dea0a2ea51e () codewiz ! org
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Doesn't Riot.im support images well enough for your use-case? It's free 
software, and it's becoming fairly mature lately.

The root issue for both Telegram and Matrix seems to be that they're 
bridging through a legacy platform like IRC. Would it be fair to say 
that this problem will slowly resolve itself in time, as users leave IRC?

I don't mean to troll: I've been on IRC myself for 20+ years, but the 
protocol has been stagnating and clients requires too much setup for 
newcomers, particularly when you consider identity, presence and 
persistence. Other open source projects are migrating to Matrix or 
Gitter, and soon or later KDE will need to make a decision.

On 11/06/2020 09.09, Carl Schwan wrote:
> Hi,
> Strong +1 on this. The current situation is far from good. Currently to
> have a good communication application I need to either use a proprietary
> platform, use a platform who doesn't support images and for which I need
> to set up a bouncer on my server or use a platform which lags a lot and
> which doesn't always relays my messages to the bridges.
> Carl
> 
> Le mercredi, juin 10, 2020 11:16 PM, Nate Graham <nate@kde.org> a écrit  :
> 
>> Carson's email about bridging #kde-devel to Telegram got me thinking: we
>> should have a discussion about the situation we're in regarding chat
>> services in KDE.
>>
> 
>> The current Matrix solution does not seem not optimal to me. I have
>> really tried my best to be a good citizen and use Matrix as much as
>> possible over the last year but I find myself gravitating back towards
>> Telegram because of how much better the overall UX is, especially for
>> fast-moving discussions and those involving images.
>>
> 
>> I haven't found a Matrix client that offers both a half-decent UX and
>> also a reasonable featureset. The service suffers from lag, sometimes
>> severe. Periodically the federation breaks, or the bridge between IRC
>> and Telegram breaks, leading to people's messages silently vanishing.
>> The implementation of the bridge itself impedes discussions between
>> Telegram users and IRC/Matrix users because when a Telegram user replies
>> to a post made by someone on IRC or Matrix, that person person can't see
>> the message being replied to. Overall it just does not feel like a great
>> user experience.
>>
> 
>> This situation really needs to be fixed, somehow. I'm not knowledgeable
>> enough regarding chat software to be able to propose solution, but I
>> don't feel like the status quo is something we should live with. Can we
>> fix Matrix? Or should we migrate to something that offers a better UX?
>>
> 
>> Nate
> 


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