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List:       kde-community
Subject:    Re: A safe haven for the community's memories
From:       Ben Cooksley <bcooksley () kde ! org>
Date:       2020-01-30 9:43:09
Message-ID: CA+XidOF3YwQyf-TYvVreq2m823iCdnX+hVjQn=qv6OoPbBbvdw () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:24 PM Piyush Aggarwal
<piyushaggarwal002@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ben,

Hi Piyush,

> 
> On Wed, 29 Jan, 2020, 2:42 PM Ben Cooksley, <bcooksley@kde.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:16 AM Piyush Aggarwal
> > <piyushaggarwal002@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Thanks for taking this discussion forward, Adriaan and Carl.
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 14:24, Adriaan de Groot <groot@kde.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Monday, 27 January 2020 07:27:42 CET Piyush Aggarwal wrote:
> > > > > > Almost always, photographs, videos and other forms of digital memorabilia
> > > > > > are so badly dispersed among the attendees, many of us have barely any
> > > > > > photographs from the event. The only way to get the photos we want is by
> > > > > > immediately getting the photographs on our phone then and there, during
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > event. The alternative after the event concludes and everyone is back \
> > > > > > home safely, is to expect the sender to send the photographs as a mail
> > > > > > attachment or some other way that is generally a pain.
> > > > > > So, this mail thread aims to initiate a discussion on the prospect of
> > > > > > setting up a Kloud, of sorts.
> > > > ...
> > > > > > The current best solution as far as I know, is https://share.kde.org ,
> > > > > > which is limited to just 100 MB.
> > > > > > Would it be feasible for the KDE Community, especially our sysadmins, to
> > > > > > host a server for this purpose? :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > References
> > > > > > [1] : https://las2019.bcnfs.org/doku.php?id=wiki:lasphotos
> > > > 
> > > > There was a discussion -- it's a sysadmin ticket, I don't know if it's
> > > > readable for all -- at https://phabricator.kde.org/T12026 for a similar
> > > > situation with LAS photos. Not the *same*, though, since that was also for
> > > > "raw" materials to be shared with video editors and other PR people.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I cannot access that task, Adriaan. Perhaps if the task does not include any \
> > > sensitive content, we can put it on the promo task board for everyone to help \
> > > us with? :-)
> > 
> > Please note that Sysadmin tasks are shielded by mechanisms that mean
> > placing it on another board will not make it accessible to others (so
> > adding it to the Promo board will not make it accessible to you)
> 
> 
> I understand that. I thought the part where this task is opened for everyone to \
> view was implicit in my earlier statement (if there is no sensitive content, as I \
> said). I personally think this problem deserves a task of its own, and the idea to \
> have a task for this on the promo board was not mine alone, but rather suggested by \
> Paul. 

That task was regarding us getting bulk storage support for
share.kde.org, mainly to allow for us to handle large amounts of data
such as raw video footage.
Because this request is different, it should be handled through it's own ticket.

We will need to set this up as a separate set of shared folders
though, rather than one under the existing Promo hierarchy, as it will
need to be on bulk storage rather than the direct local system storage
(which is where the existing Promo folder lives)

> > 
> > > Anyways, after some discussions with Paul, I think we have a solution for \
> > > future events. The Photos folder on share.kde.org currently hosts photographs \
> > > for Promo sprint (Barcelona,2018), Akademy (Vienna,2018), FOSDEM (Brussels, \
> > > 2019) and this year's conf.kde.in (Delhi). share.kde.org also has good support \
> > > in terms of user access control- users can be limited to adding new \
> > > photographs, but not deleting any already uploaded files. I can confirm this \
> > > works just as expected. So, the solution proposed here is- we can share read & \
> > > upload-only permissions to the Photos folder to all KDE identities, and create \
> > > a new folder per-event. Would that be feasible?
> > 
> > Access to share.kde.org is currently limited to developers and other
> > community members.
> 
> 
> That is true. I believe KDE events make use of events.kde.org and \
> reimbursements.kde.org infrastructure that both require an identity to be able to \
> register for an event and/ or ask for any reimbursements respectively. Does that \
> leave any possible uploaders?

There is a distinction for Identity purposes - general users of
Identity cannot login to share.kde.org.
Only developers have automatic access to share.kde.org. Everyone else
needs to apply to Sysadmin (via a ticket) to be given access.

As share.kde.org is only really usable if you have access to one of
the shared folders, this model has not caused any issues to date
(because they have to ask for access to those folders, which is when
we give them access if they're not a developer)

(This was a decision made to ensure it wasn't abused to distribute
material that is illegal / offensive / not in keeping with the values
of the community)

> 
> Best
> Piyush Aggarwal

Cheers,
Ben


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