------86IGMS7UNLLIJC347LJNS91806VUXA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me try one more time: - We discussed this before=2E - We came up with consensus on a rules compromise=2E - We're discussing it again=2E - You need to make a strong case why circumstances are different and the o= utcome of this conversation should be different from the established consen= sus=2E - So far you're just repeating arguments=2E - None of the arguments are in reference to the documented rules (even tho= ugh the filter thing, which would require categorization by authors, could = be written in such a way)=2E Consensus exists and is documented so we don't repeat debates from square = one every time=2E Doing so anyway just because you don't agree with your pe= ers is disrespecting others' time and not behavior appropriate for the comm= unity list, where we get *together* instead of running our own show=2E This is particular so because this debate does happen in context of a part= icular blog post and individuals in a community deserve protection from mob= s=2E Cheers, Eike On December 5, 2019 1:47:16 PM GMT+01:00, Laszlo Papp wr= ote: >No, one particular party's political propaganda (repeatedly) exceeds >getting to know someone in KDE in my opinion=2E > >Well, with that, if a KDE person does porn, or something else that is >equally extreme, that could also be getting to know the person behind >KDE=2E > >I think drawing a false overarching conclusion is wrong=2E I am calling >particularly out on Brexit (and maybe political) propaganda=2E I am >personally not against reading a cycling trip in Europe (just an >example >from the past) which is not so divisive as politics and Brexit in >particular=2E > >On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:36 PM Eike Hein wrote: > >> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a >> problem we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say=2E As >a >> community we're smart enough to understand that it's a different >reality >> from an occasional post=2E Let's have that trust=2E >> >> But let me say it again: We discussed this before=2E The hypothetical >you've >> laid out is not a new one=2E You're not explaining how the situation is >> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus >we >> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like >having the >> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of >> losing a venue for that=2E The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a >news >> feed, it's a community aggregator=2E >> >> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog >post >> is not meeting the necessary bar=2E Let's not prolong it until you come >up >> with something=2E >> >> >> Cheers, >> Eike >> >> >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli < >> kde@fuchsnet=2Ech> wrote: >>> >>> Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: >>> >>>> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that >doesn't >>>> currently exist=2E >>>> >>> >>> I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, >because >>> whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other >person was >>> allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness=2E >>> >>> Cheers, >>>> Eike >>>> >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli > >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on >planet >>>>> would >>>>> post as many articles on politics as e=2Eg=2E you do, the planet wou= ld >be >>>>> simply >>>>> overcrowded with it=2E >>>>> >>>>> Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be >a >>>>> filter for >>>>> non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet=2Ekde to read about, >well, >>>>> KDE, >>>>> could filter all that stuff out=2E >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>> Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan >Riddell: >>>>> >>>>>> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> themselves >>>>> >>>>> as well as their KDE contributions=2E A hard Brexit will affect KDE >>>>>> significantly which is why I include it here=2E The idea that >talking >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> about >>>>> >>>>> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> reason why >>>>> >>>>> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion >>>>>> currently=2E I often get people thanking me for my political >opinion >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> blogs=2E >>>>> >>>>> If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then don=E2=80=99t read it=2E >>>>>> >>>>>> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> should be >>>>> >>>>> about KDE and your work on KDE=2E Blog posts about personal subjects >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> are also >>>>> >>>>> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> developers >>>>> >>>>> behind KDE=2E" I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that >rule=2E >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Community, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same >blog, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> but I >>>>> >>>>> can't >>>>>>> find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums >or >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> chat: >>>>> >>>>>> currently the top blog post on planet=2Ekde=2Eorg is about voting f= or >a >>>>>>> specific >>>>>>> political party=2E I understand that in these times there are many >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> countries >>>>> >>>>> with heated and important political debates, and some very >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> important >>>>> >>>>> global >>>>>>> topics as well=2E However, these already occupy all the news site= =2E >>>>>>> Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a >political >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> subject >>>>> >>>>> that is very important to the blogger, planet=2Ekde=2Eorg would be y= et >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> political news/opinions feed=2E >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I want politics, I go to one of these=2E If I want to read >about >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> KDE, I >>>>> >>>>> go to >>>>>>> planet=2Ekde=2Eorg=2E >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> which of >>>>> >>>>> your >>>>>>> blogs do show up on the planet=2E I know that some topics are very >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> important >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>>>> you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please >keep >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> planet=2Ekde=2Eorg feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess wher= e >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> it's >>>>> >>>>> hard to >>>>>>> find the content people actually go there for=2E >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks and kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity= =2E >> --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------86IGMS7UNLLIJC347LJNS91806VUXA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me try one more time:

- We discussed th= is before=2E
- We came up with consensus on a rules compromise=2E
- W= e're discussing it again=2E
- You need to make a strong case why circums= tances are different and the outcome of this conversation should be differe= nt from the established consensus=2E
- So far you're just repeating argu= ments=2E
- None of the arguments are in reference to the documented rule= s (even though the filter thing, which would require categorization by auth= ors, could be written in such a way)=2E

Consensus exists and is docu= mented so we don't repeat debates from square one every time=2E Doing so an= yway just because you don't agree with your peers is disrespecting others' = time and not behavior appropriate for the community list, where we get *tog= ether* instead of running our own show=2E

This is particular so beca= use this debate does happen in context of a particular blog post and indivi= duals in a community deserve protection from mobs=2E


Cheers,
= Eike

On December 5, 2019 1:47:16 PM GMT+0= 1:00, Laszlo Papp <lpapp@kde=2Eorg> wrote:
No, one particular party's political propaganda (repeated= ly) exceeds getting to know someone in KDE in my opinion=2E

Well, with that, if a KDE person does porn, or something else that = is equally extreme, that could also be getting to know the person behind KD= E=2E

I think drawing a false overarching conc= lusion is wrong=2E I am calling particularly out on Brexit (and maybe poli= tical) propaganda=2E I am personally not against reading a cycling trip in = Europe (just an example from the past) which is not so divisive as politics= and Brexit in particular=2E

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:36 PM Eike Hein= <hein@kde=2Eorg> wrote:
If and when the= Planet becomes majority political content, that's a problem we can acknowl= edge and deal with at that time I would say=2E As a community we're smart e= nough to understand that it's a different reality from an occasional post= =2E Let's have that trust=2E

But let me say it again: We discussed t= his before=2E The hypothetical you've laid out is not a new one=2E You're n= ot explaining how the situation is different now from back then and why we = need to review the consensus we already had achieved, which was informed by= other thoughts like having the Planet be a place where we can get to know = each other and the cost of losing a venue for that=2E The Planet is not a c= orporate outlet or a news feed, it's a community aggregator=2E

Start= ing a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post is not = meeting the necessary bar=2E Let's not prolong it until you come up with so= mething=2E


Cheers,
Eike



On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet=2Ech> w= rote:
Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
But they don't, so you=
r calculation is about solving a problem that doesn't
currently exist=2E=


I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slip=
pery slope, because 
whenever people will at political stuff, it will be=
  "but the other person was 
allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a mat=
ter of fairness=2E 

Cheers,
Eike

Kind regards, 

Christian  
On December 5, 20=
19 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet=2Ech> 
wrote:=

For me it's a rather simple calculation:=
 if every contributor on planet
would
post as many articles on politi=
cs as e=2Eg=2E you do, the planet would be
simply
overcrowded with it=
=2E

Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could b=
e a
filter for
non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet=2Ekde t=
o read about, well,
KDE,
could filter all that stuff out=2E

Ki=
nd regards,

Christian

Am Donnerstag, 5=2E Dezember 2019, 13:0=
4:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell:
Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information ab=
out

themselves

as well as their KDE contributions=2E A hard Brexit will =
affect KDE
significantly which is why I include it here=2E  The idea tha=
t talking

about

politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me an=
d is one

reason why

the populists have taken over so much of the politic=
al discussion
currently=2E I often get people thanking me for my politic=
al opinion

blogs=2E

If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then don=E2=80=
=99t read it=2E

The rule we came up with is "The majority of content=
 in your blog

should be

about KDE and your work on KDE=2E Blog posts abo=
ut personal subjects

are also

encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance t=
o learn more about the

developers

behind KDE=2E"  I've never heard anyon=
e suggest changes to that rule=2E

Jonathan

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019=
 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet=2Ech>

wrote:
Dear Community,

I'm 100% sure this topic came up=
 in the past due to the same blog,

but I
can't
find it on the mailing list, so =
I assume it happened on forums or

chat:
currently the top blog post on planet=2Ekde=2Eorg is about vot=
ing for a
specific
political party=2E I understand that in these time=
s there are many

countries

with heated and important political debates, and some ve=
ry

important

global
topics as well=2E However, these already occupy all the news=
 site=2E
Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a politi=
cal

subject

that is very important to the blogger, planet=2Ekde=2Eorg would be yet
anotherpolitical news/opinions feed=2E

If I want politics, I go to one of =
these=2E If I want to read about

KDE, I
go to
planet=2Ekde=2Eorg=2E

Please dear blog=
gers: there are categories, and you can choose

which of

your
blogs do show up on=
 the planet=2E I know that some topics are very

important

<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(252,175,62);padding-left:1ex">to
you and obviously y=
ou are free to blog about them, but please keep

the

planet=2Ekde=2Eorg feed free of it, so it doe=
sn't become a mess where

it's

hard to
find the content people actually go there =
for=2E

Thanks and kind regards,

Christian





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