Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:44:09 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE communi=
ty
> an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us.

Completely is unlikely indeed, but the world is not black and white, and we=
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can steer a bit what places are affected and what places are not (e.g. the=
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comment in the other thread about "please no politics on the mailing lists"=
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Professional environments seem to manage quite fine to get up some sort of=
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separation, so maybe we can, too.=20

> Cheers,
> Eike

Kind regards,=20

Christian=20
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> On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.=
ch>=20
wrote:
> >Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that
> >particular blog
> >post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in
> >general that
> >things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to
> >find
> >projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic  (insert
> >controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, ... I'm sure
> >every
> >country and region has its fair share) because you originally came to
> >these
> >places for something other than politics.
> >
> >As the bar has a different height for different people, I already made
> >a
> >suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we
> >already
> >allow to filter by language.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Christian
> >
> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> >> If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a
> >
> >problem
> >
> >> we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a
> >
> >community
> >
> >> we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from
> >
> >an
> >
> >> occasional post. Let's have that trust.
> >>=20
> >> But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical
> >
> >you've
> >
> >> laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is
> >> different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus
> >
> >we
> >
> >> already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like
> >
> >having the
> >
> >> Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of
> >> losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a
> >
> >news
> >
> >> feed, it's a community aggregator.
> >>=20
> >> Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog
> >
> >post is
> >
> >> not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up
> >
> >with
> >
> >> something.
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> Cheers,
> >> Eike
> >>=20
> >> On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli
> >
> ><kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> >
> >wrote:
> >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> >> >> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem
> >
> >that
> >
> >> >doesn't
> >> >
> >> >> currently exist.
> >> >
> >> >I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope,
> >> >because
> >> >whenever people will at political stuff, it will be  "but the other
> >> >person was
> >> >allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness.
> >> >
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> Eike
> >> >
> >> >Kind regards,
> >> >
> >> >Christian
> >> >
> >> >> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli
> >> >
> >> ><kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> >> >
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on
> >> >
> >> >planet
> >> >
> >> >> >would
> >> >> >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet
> >
> >would
> >
> >> >be
> >> >
> >> >> >simply
> >> >> >overcrowded with it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be
> >
> >a
> >
> >> >> >filter for
> >> >> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about,
> >> >
> >> >well,
> >> >
> >> >> >KDE,
> >> >> >could filter all that stuff out.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Kind regards,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Christian
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan
> >> >
> >> >Riddell:
> >> >> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information
> >
> >about
> >
> >> >> >themselves
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect
> >
> >KDE
> >
> >> >> >> significantly which is why I include it here.  The idea that
> >> >
> >> >talking
> >> >
> >> >> >about
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is
> >
> >one
> >
> >> >> >reason why
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political
> >
> >discussion
> >
> >> >> >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political
> >
> >opinion
> >
> >> >> >blogs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then don=E2=80=99t read it.
> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your
> >
> >blog
> >
> >> >> >should be
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal
> >
> >subjects
> >
> >> >> >are also
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the
> >> >> >
> >> >> >developers
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> behind KDE."  I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that
> >> >
> >> >rule.
> >> >
> >> >> >> Jonathan
> >> >> >>=20
> >> >> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> > Dear Community,
> >> >> >> >=20
> >> >> >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same
> >> >
> >> >blog,
> >> >
> >> >> >but I
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > can't
> >> >> >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on
> >
> >forums
> >
> >> >or
> >> >
> >> >> >chat:
> >> >> >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting
> >> >
> >> >for a
> >> >
> >> >> >> > specific
> >> >> >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are
> >
> >many
> >
> >> >> >countries
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very
> >> >> >
> >> >> >important
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > global
> >> >> >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news
> >
> >site.
> >
> >> >> >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a
> >> >
> >> >political
> >> >
> >> >> >subject
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would
> >
> >be
> >
> >> >yet
> >> >
> >> >> >> > another
> >> >> >> > political news/opinions feed.
> >> >> >> >=20
> >> >> >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read
> >> >
> >> >about
> >> >
> >> >> >KDE, I
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > go to
> >> >> >> > planet.kde.org.
> >> >> >> >=20
> >> >> >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can
> >
> >choose
> >
> >> >> >which of
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are
> >
> >very
> >
> >> >> >important
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please
> >> >
> >> >keep
> >> >
> >> >> >the
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess
> >> >
> >> >where
> >> >
> >> >> >it's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > hard to
> >> >> >> > find the content people actually go there for.
> >> >> >> >=20
> >> >> >> > Thanks and kind regards,
> >> >> >> >=20
> >> >> >> > Christian