From kde-community Thu Dec 05 12:33:28 2019 From: Laszlo Papp Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 12:33:28 +0000 To: kde-community Subject: Re: Please don't make planet.kde.org into a politics feed Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-community&m=157554923631658 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--00000000000094ed260598f423b3" --00000000000094ed260598f423b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:28 PM Christian Loosli wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein: > > But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that > doesn't > > currently exist. > > I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, because > whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other perso= n > was > allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness. > Yes, absolutely. I understood and appreciated that this discussion is about a long-term sustainable goal. It is not just a strategy for today just as the KDE manifesto is for a long-term and sustainable vision. Besides that, brexit has divided nations, families, friends, relationships, and the world at large into a very depressive state. It is just not what I also want to flow from the planet KDE tap. So, I find it hard to comprehend and read that nothing has changed. With the referendum, things have changed big times, more than ever as far as recent UK times are concerned. > > > Cheers, > > Eike > > Kind regards, > > Christian > > > On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli < > kde@fuchsnet.ch> > wrote: > > >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on plane= t > > >would > > >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would be > > >simply > > >overcrowded with it. > > > > > >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a > > >filter for > > >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, well= , > > >KDE, > > >could filter all that stuff out. > > > > > >Kind regards, > > > > > >Christian > > > > > >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Riddell= : > > >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about > > > > > >themselves > > > > > >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE > > >> significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that talking > > > > > >about > > > > > >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one > > > > > >reason why > > > > > >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion > > >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion > > > > > >blogs. > > > > > >> If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then don=E2=80=99t read it. > > >> > > >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog > > > > > >should be > > > > > >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects > > > > > >are also > > > > > >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the > > > > > >developers > > > > > >> behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that rule. > > >> > > >> Jonathan > > >> > > >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli > > > > > >wrote: > > >> > Dear Community, > > >> > > > >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same blog, > > > > > >but I > > > > > >> > can't > > >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums or > > > > > >chat: > > >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting for = a > > >> > specific > > >> > political party. I understand that in these times there are many > > > > > >countries > > > > > >> > with heated and important political debates, and some very > > > > > >important > > > > > >> > global > > >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site. > > >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a political > > > > > >subject > > > > > >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be yet > > >> > another > > >> > political news/opinions feed. > > >> > > > >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read about > > > > > >KDE, I > > > > > >> > go to > > >> > planet.kde.org. > > >> > > > >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose > > > > > >which of > > > > > >> > your > > >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very > > > > > >important > > > > > >> > to > > >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please keep > > > > > >the > > > > > >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess where > > > > > >it's > > > > > >> > hard to > > >> > find the content people actually go there for. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks and kind regards, > > >> > > > >> > Christian > > > > > --00000000000094ed260598f423b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 12:28 PM Chris= tian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> = wrote:
Am Donner= stag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:
> But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem tha= t doesn't
> currently exist.

I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope, because <= br> whenever people will at political stuff, it will be=C2=A0 "but the oth= er person was
allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness.

Yes, absolutely. I understood and appreciate= d that this discussion is about a long-term sustainable goal. It is not jus= t a strategy for today just as the KDE manifesto is for a long-term and sus= tainable vision.

Besides that, brexit has divided = nations, families, friends, relationships, and the world at large into a ve= ry depressive state. It is just not what I also want to flow from the plane= t KDE tap. So, I find it hard to comprehend and read that nothing has chang= ed. With the referendum, things have changed big times, more than ever as f= ar as recent UK times are concerned.
=C2=A0

> Cheers,
> Eike

Kind regards,

Christian

> On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
wrote:
> >For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor = on planet
> >would
> >post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would= be
> >simply
> >overcrowded with it.
> >
> >Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be = a
> >filter for
> >non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about, = well,
> >KDE,
> >could filter all that stuff out.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Christian
> >
> >Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan Rid= dell:
> >> Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information ab= out
> >
> >themselves
> >
> >> as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect= KDE
> >> significantly which is why I include it here.=C2=A0 The idea = that talking
> >
> >about
> >
> >> politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is = one
> >
> >reason why
> >
> >> the populists have taken over so much of the political discus= sion
> >> currently. I often get people thanking me for my political op= inion
> >
> >blogs.
> >
> >> If you don=E2=80=99t want to read it then don=E2=80=99t read = it.
> >>
> >> The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in = your blog
> >
> >should be
> >
> >> about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal sub= jects
> >
> >are also
> >
> >> encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about t= he
> >
> >developers
> >
> >> behind KDE."=C2=A0 I've never heard anyone suggest c= hanges to that rule.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch>
> >
> >wrote:
> >> > Dear Community,
> >> >
> >> > I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to = the same blog,
> >
> >but I
> >
> >> > can't
> >> > find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on = forums or
> >
> >chat:
> >> > currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about v= oting for a
> >> > specific
> >> > political party. I understand that in these times there = are many
> >
> >countries
> >
> >> > with heated and important political debates, and some ve= ry
> >
> >important
> >
> >> > global
> >> > topics as well. However, these already occupy all the ne= ws site.
> >> > Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a= political
> >
> >subject
> >
> >> > that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org wo= uld be yet
> >> > another
> >> > political news/opinions feed.
> >> >
> >> > If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to r= ead about
> >
> >KDE, I
> >
> >> > go to
> >> > planet.kde.org.
> >> >
> >> > Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can = choose
> >
> >which of
> >
> >> > your
> >> > blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics = are very
> >
> >important
> >
> >> > to
> >> > you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but p= lease keep
> >
> >the
> >
> >> > planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become= a mess where
> >
> >it's
> >
> >> > hard to
> >> > find the content people actually go there for.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks and kind regards,
> >> >
> >> > Christian




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