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Subject:    Re: KDE should rather act then just "strike" (Re: Should KDE join the (Digital) Global Climate Strik
From:       <cahfofpai () tuta ! io>
Date:       2019-09-27 15:01:38
Message-ID: LpnCSsn--3-1 () tuta ! io
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Dear Thomas, dear KDE community,

From my point of view, the course of events was:sunday, the 15th of september, \
evening: I recieved an email from the Fight for the Future \
(https://https://www.fightforthefuture.org/ <https://www.fightforthefuture.org/>) \
newsletter containing a call to join the Digital Climate Strike and a link to  \
https://digital.globalclimatestrike.net/ <https://digital.globalclimatestrike.net/> \
monday, the 16th of september: I read the email a day later and I thought: Great \
campaign, bringing the climate strike to the internet could really make an impact, I \
really should support this! wednesday, the 18th of september, 3:06 pm: I created the \
phabricator task "Should KDE join the (Digital) Global Climate Strike this friday?" \
(https://phabricator.kde.org/T11717 <https://phabricator.kde.org/T11717>)  wednesday, \
the 18th of september, 5:10 pm: I  pointed to the phabricator task in the KDE promo \
group on Matrix skadinna suggested me to share the idea on the community mailing list \
and so I did (thanks for this, skadinna, this was a crucial point to get the \
suggestion to the community and make the idea become reality!) so the discussion on \
this mailing list started: some spoke out against it, the board voted for it and \
there was much positive feedback about KDE participating in the digital climate \
strike thursday, the 19th of september, late evening: Members of the Promo group took \
action and implemented the banner on the website and pushed a social media post out \
(thanks to everybody who helped bringing this to reality!) friday, the 20th of \
september, a while after midnight: Kon reached out to Fight for the Future informing \
them that KDE supports the digital climate strike (finally, KDE got included in the \
section of "important" participants at  \
https://digital.globalclimatestrike.net/#participants \
<https://digital.globalclimatestrike.net/#participants>  (right at the end of the \
logos)) I suggested participating in the digital climate strike that late, because I \
did not know of the digital climate strike until I read about it in the newsletter \
email on monday. I proposed it that late on wednesday two days before the climate \
strike (rather late than never), because I did not really had time to do it earlier \
and it did not come to my mind much earlier that KDE could join the digital climate \
strike. Of course I submit that such things should be proposed much earlier before \
the final date to have enough time to discuss and decide on it.

I'm proud that KDE supported this very important cause, because such a great \
community as KDE should not ignore the world outside their bubble and should also \
take responsibility for the world it exists in.

Thanks to everybody who supported this and made the participation of KDE in the \
global climate strike possible, even in this short amount of time! I hope that \
discussion how KDE could be more environment-friendly goes on and leads to engagement \
and concrete actions into the right direction!

Your's truly
cahfofpai
22. Sep. 2019, 17:45 von t.pfeiffer.ux@gmail.com:

> Hi Christoph,
> 
> On 20.09.19 22:35, Christoph Cullmann wrote:
> 
> > I must confess I missed that we decided to participate, too, but digging
> > in the mails of this thread it seems the board of e.V. did so. (if I
> > don't misread
> > Aleix mail)
> > 
> 
> From my perspective, the course of events was:
> - On Wednesday evening, Sept 18th, cahfofpai opened a Phabricator ticket
> "Should KDE join the (Digital) Global Climate Strike this friday?" [1]
> and around the same time started a thread on this list
> - The promo team wasn't sure whether it would be okay for them to do
> this because there weren't many reactions on the list and they didn't
> want to go against the community
> - At 1am of the 19th, Aleix asked me for my opinion on the idea, since
> he knew I was active in the climate movement. I told him that it made a
> lot of sense to me, and that we'd need to get it going on Thursday in
> order for it to have any effect in getting more people to join the
> strike on the streets
> - Aleix told me that the board had a call the next morning and he would
> propose a vote on it there
> - After the meeting, Aleix replied in this thread that the board
> approves of the action
> - At that point, the promo team started to get into "action mode", and I
> pushed them to get the word out still on Thursday because I believed
> that it would be far more likely for people to decide to join a protest
> "tomorrow" than "today"
> 
> > This is OK for me, as for that the board got elected, to do some decision
> > when we can't wait for weeks to vote on something.
> > 
> > Thought I would have appreciated if at least a 5 lines post of the
> > announcement
> > that "KDE joins this" would have been done on the planet or here to make
> > clear what happens. I am not sure that communicating this over twitter only
> > is the best way to do that, given we have the lists/planet/dot.
> > 
> > (not that twitter is bad to advertise it to the world)
> > 
> > I think this would have been be possible to discuss more properly if one
> > didn't bring this up
> > a few days before it needs to happens.
> > 
> > Some people in the thread said they had this strike marked since months
> > thought it seems
> > nobody thought about communicating it to our community here a bit
> > earlier that "let's do this
> > this week".
> > 
> 
> I can't say why cahfofpai proposed to join the digital strike on Wednesday.
> What I can say is that when I first learned about the digital strike a
> few weeks ago (not sure when the idea for the digital strike was born,
> the "marked on my calendar for months" was referring to the strike on
> the streets), I must admit that I didn't dare proposing for KDE to join
> because I knew that some people would react negatively and I am terribly
> conflict-averse. I simply chickened out.
> It was only when I learned that someone else proposed it that I jumped
> on the bandwagon.
> 
> So yes, I could have suggested that KDE should join the digital strike a
> earlier, had I mustered the courage to go against the nay-sayers. My
> bad, will try to be better next time.
> 
> Thank you to cahfofpai for being more brave than I was.
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas
> 
> > Greetings
> > Christoph
> > 
> > P.S.
> > 
> > > -) You might not remember, but I did put up the "we oppose software
> > patents" strike banner
> > more than a decade ago on kde.org and got burned a lot for that, even
> > thought we discussed that internally
> > at that time.
> > 
> 
> People who take action will always be burned. This is probably the way
> any community works, and those who take action sadly have to expect and
> live with that.
> 
> 
> [1] https://phabricator.kde.org/T11717
> 


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