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Subject: Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
From: Joseph Wenninger <jowenn () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-02-20 14:41:59
Message-ID: 45E87088-C7D4-46F3-BE18-2E41B95D6718 () kde ! org
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Hi!
I think the public dot.kde.org article was a little bit premature, registration does not work because of \
timeouts and/or CORS errors, ... Best regards
Joseph Wenninger
Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> Am 20.02.2019 um 15:37 schrieb Laszlo Papp <lpapp@kde.org>:
>
>
>
> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:30 PM Hans Tovetjärn <totte@chakralinux.org> wrote:
> > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:07:09 CET Agustin Benito (toscalix) wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn <totte@chakralinux.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of
> > > > > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a
> > > > > long
> > > > > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also
> > > > > insecure
> > > >
> > > > In what way? You can connect and authenticate via TSL/SSL. If you bridge
> > > > Matrix rooms and IRC channels, I don't think end-to-end encryption will
> > > > work, so that doesn't matter anyway.
> > >
> > > from what I see in IRC/telegram promo related channels, there are
> > > already discussions to be accurate when referring to IRC. It wouldn't
> > > surprise me if corrections are on their way.
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > >
> > > Agustin
> >
> > Yes. The original text:
> >
> > "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but it has centralized servers
> > KDE cannot control. It is also insecure and lacks features users have come to
> > expect from more modern IM services."
> >
> > ...has been replaced with:
> >
> > "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but our channels are currently
> > on servers KDE cannot control. It also lacks features users have come to
> > expect from more modern IM services."
>
> 1. Why does KDE need to control these channels?
>
> 2. This is still not a selling point for Matrix against IRC to be honest. Because one can set up an IRC \
> server just as well as a Matrix server. So, I would not mention this in the article.
> I have the gut feeling that what KDE can only fairly claim is that some people prefer Matrix over IRC. \
> We are all different and that is fine. I would not even use the term "better" or "worse" for either. It \
> is just different. That is all. It is ok to be different though.
> >
> > The article is alright now.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Hans Tovetjärn (totte)
> > totte@chakralinux.org
> > 0x9731B8FCED15437F
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dir="auto">Hi!<div>I think the public <a href="http://dot.kde.org">dot.kde.org</a> article was a little \
bit premature, registration does not work because of timeouts and/or CORS errors, ...<br>Best \
regards<div>Joseph Wenninger</div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Von meinem iPhone \
gesendet</div><div dir="ltr"><br>Am 20.02.2019 um 15:37 schrieb Laszlo Papp <<a \
href="mailto:lpapp@kde.org">lpapp@kde.org</a>>:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div \
dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:30 PM Hans Tovetjärn <<a \
href="mailto:totte@chakralinux.org">totte@chakralinux.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:07:09 CET Agustin Benito (toscalix) \
wrote:<br> > Hi,<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn <<a href="mailto:totte@chakralinux.org" \
target="_blank">totte@chakralinux.org</a>> <br> wrote:<br>
> > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote:<br>
> > > Hi all,<br>
> > > <br>
> > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of<br>
> > > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a<br>
> > > long<br>
> > > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also<br>
> > > insecure<br>
> > <br>
> > In what way? You can connect and authenticate via TSL/SSL. If you bridge<br>
> > Matrix rooms and IRC channels, I don't think end-to-end encryption will<br>
> > work, so that doesn't matter anyway.<br>
> <br>
> from what I see in IRC/telegram promo related channels, there are<br>
> already discussions to be accurate when referring to IRC. It wouldn't<br>
> surprise me if corrections are on their way.<br>
> <br>
> Best Regards<br>
> <br>
> Agustin<br>
<br>
Yes. The original text:<br>
<br>
"IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but it has centralized servers <br>
KDE cannot control. It is also insecure and lacks features users have come to <br>
expect from more modern IM services."<br>
<br>
...has been replaced with:<br>
<br>
"IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but our channels are currently <br>
on servers KDE cannot control. It also lacks features users have come to <br>
expect from more modern IM services."<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>1. Why does KDE need to control \
these channels?</div><div><br></div><div>2. This is still not a selling point for Matrix against IRC to \
be honest. Because one can set up an IRC server just as well as a Matrix server. So, I would not mention \
this in the article.</div><div><br></div><div>I have the gut feeling that what KDE can only fairly claim \
is that some people prefer Matrix over IRC. We are all different and that is fine. I would not even use \
the term "better" or "worse" for either. It is just different. That is all. It is ok to be different \
though.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br>
The article is alright now.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Best regards,<br>
Hans Tovetjärn (totte)<br>
<a href="mailto:totte@chakralinux.org" target="_blank">totte@chakralinux.org</a><br>
0x9731B8FCED15437F</blockquote></div></div>
</div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>
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