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Subject: Re: Licensing policy change proposal
From: Krešimir Čohar <kcohar () gmail ! com>
Date: 2019-01-28 13:32:08
Message-ID: CABnAy3eFVHt+DTWE1XCA0M_jY7wnWZtzu9BkPmG9R7==X5uTcA () mail ! gmail ! com
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That last email (the legalese thing) was in response to Adriaan's email :D
Sorry Adriaan I've never posted to a mailing list before I still don't know
how to reply properly hahaha
On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:30 PM Kre=C5=A1imir =C4=8Cohar <kcohar@gmail.com>=
wrote:
> I know... I agree they should have done a better job with the wording, bu=
t
> I think we can get them to be more specific about it. And no, we wouldn't
> be violating their license in any circumstance so I think they'd be OK wi=
th
> granting CC-0 in these select cases.
>
> P.S. Debian just ditches all our wallpapers and our sddm theme and puts i=
n
> its own. And thanks for the suggestion - I agree that we should bring in
> someone that speaks legalese on this, they'll know how to proceed.
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:25 PM Adriaan de Groot <groot@kde.org> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 28 January 2019 13:23:36 CET Kre=C5=A1imir =C4=8Cohar wrote:
>> > Why not? As far as Unsplash goes, their only restriction is not to
>> start a
>> > competing service, which is not even remotely what we are trying to do=
.
>> > Surely that is a reasonable and acceptable restriction. It's not unlik=
e
>> the
>> > copyleft restrictions ("freedoms") of the GPL.
>>
>> Here's the thing: we ship Free Software. More-or-less-equivalently, we
>> ship
>> things licensed under an Open Source license. And *that* in turn
>> basically
>> means "is it OSI listed".
>>
>> That's a short-and-bureaucratic kind of answer, which I don't
>> particularly
>> like.
>>
>> A related thing: if we ship something, and *downstream* doesn't like it,
>> then
>> either they patch it out, or they don't ship our stuff. It's important t=
o
>> ask
>> downstreams specifically what they think, when we're re-shipping
>> something from
>> upstream under an unexpected license. Debian is one of the most
>> particular of
>> our downstreams, so we'd definitely want to check with them.
>>
>> A related thing: FOSDEM is this weekend, when we have the KDE licensing
>> people, Debian, and a room full of lawyers all in one place (-ish).
>> That's
>> probably a good moment to inquire.
>>
>> [ade]
>>
>> PS. The license seems a bit inconsistent to me: first it grants a very
>> broad
>> license and then carves out a specific exception (field of endeavour). I=
t
>> would
>> be more tidy if it started with "EXCEPT AS LISTED BELOW (field of
>> endeavour),
>> Unsplash grants you ..". It may be feasible to get a specific (i.e. CC-0=
)
>> license applied by Unsplash to these specific (how many, six?) photos,
>> since
>> it's unlikely that you can start a competing service with just six photo=
s.
>
>
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<div dir="ltr">That last email (the legalese thing) was in response to Adriaan's \
email :D Sorry Adriaan I've never posted to a mailing list before I still \
don't know how to reply properly hahaha</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div \
dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:30 PM Krešimir Čohar <<a \
href="mailto:kcohar@gmail.com">kcohar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I know... I agree they should have \
done a better job with the wording, but I think we can get them to be more specific \
about it. And no, we wouldn't be violating their license in any circumstance so I \
think they'd be OK with granting CC-0 in these select \
cases.<div><br></div><div>P.S. Debian just ditches all our wallpapers and our sddm \
theme and puts in its own. And thanks for the suggestion - I agree that we should \
bring in someone that speaks legalese on this, they'll know how to \
proceed.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail-m_6861480664054829715gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:25 PM Adriaan \
de Groot <<a href="mailto:groot@kde.org" target="_blank">groot@kde.org</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Monday, 28 January \
2019 13:23:36 CET Krešimir Čohar wrote:<br> > Why not? As far as Unsplash goes, \
their only restriction is not to start a<br> > competing service, which is not \
even remotely what we are trying to do.<br> > Surely that is a reasonable and \
acceptable restriction. It's not unlike the<br> > copyleft restrictions \
("freedoms") of the GPL.<br> <br>
Here's the thing: we ship Free Software. More-or-less-equivalently, we ship <br>
things licensed under an Open Source license. And *that* in turn basically <br>
means "is it OSI listed".<br>
<br>
That's a short-and-bureaucratic kind of answer, which I don't particularly \
<br> like.<br>
<br>
A related thing: if we ship something, and *downstream* doesn't like it, then \
<br> either they patch it out, or they don't ship our stuff. It's important \
to ask <br> downstreams specifically what they think, when we're re-shipping \
something from <br> upstream under an unexpected license. Debian is one of the most \
particular of <br> our downstreams, so we'd definitely want to check with \
them.<br> <br>
A related thing: FOSDEM is this weekend, when we have the KDE licensing <br>
people, Debian, and a room full of lawyers all in one place (-ish). That's <br>
probably a good moment to inquire.<br>
<br>
[ade]<br>
<br>
PS. The license seems a bit inconsistent to me: first it grants a very broad <br>
license and then carves out a specific exception (field of endeavour). It would <br>
be more tidy if it started with "EXCEPT AS LISTED BELOW (field of endeavour), \
<br> Unsplash grants you ..". It may be feasible to get a specific (i.e. CC-0) \
<br> license applied by Unsplash to these specific (how many, six?) photos, since \
<br> it's unlikely that you can start a competing service with just six \
photos.</blockquote></div> </blockquote></div>
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