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Subject: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat
From: Helio Chissini de Castro <helio () kde ! org>
Date: 2017-08-08 18:31:13
Message-ID: CAKPiqoFC5TDQOME0vxvHRavt_qO=c-dskG+wTAD9-DoxSdETDA () mail ! gmail ! com
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I never heard before we have a Matrix enabled server. -1 for Rocket Chat
and I will start on Matrix to test ASAP
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 20:17 Cristian Baldi <bld.cris.96@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> I mainly contribute to the WikiToLearn project and for some months we have
> been using Rocket.Chat (instead of Telegram and IRC which we used in the
> beginning).
>
> First of all let me tell you that it is very hard to migrate users from an
> existing communication service to a new service. Even if at WikiToLearn we
> officially moved to Rocket.Chat some users still use the old communications
> means daily (mostly for the offtopic channels but some users still write in
> the main/official/support channel too).
>
> Rocket.Chat still has a lot of issues (mostly in term of user interface
> and interaction, many little annoying things that make you hate the
> platform, unless you get used to it). It is getting better daily but there
> is still many work to do (just to give an insight they have 1.7k issues
> open on their bug tracker, many are help requests and duplicates but many
> other are proper bugs).
>
> The native client could be a solution to many of these UI problem but
> after talking with a few people that developed software based on
> Rocket.Chat (for example Davide Riva (which I am cc-ing, he will tell you
> more) the KDE student working on the Chat Bridge project) there are also a
> lot of issues with their API and inner functionalities (undocumented or
> wrongly documented features).
>
> Rocket.Chat does not have an official mobile client as of today, again
> Ruquola could solve this once it is compiled for Android. Right now the
> official way to use Rocket.Chat on mobile is to use some kind of wrapped
> WebView which does not work well (when I had that installed I did not
> receive notifications or received them randomly).
>
> As Jonathan said Rocket.Chat (but really, any modern messaging system)
> offers tons of features missing from IRC.
>
> Telegram works (outside the open source world) because it has great native
> clients, cool features and it is easy to use.
> I have not tried matrix but it looks promising.
> A few months ago we also tried Mattermost (similar to Rocket.Chat but it
> seems to have gotten much better).
> IRC gets the job done but it lacks the features that everyone is used to
> in 2017.
>
> I would suggest investigating all the alternatives and going with the one
> that works and feels better, offering the best native experience and having
> the most stable core.
>
> Cristian
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Luca Beltrame <lbeltrame@kde.org> wrote:
>
>> Il giorno Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:16:17 +0200
>> Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano@tiscali.it>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>> > So -1 for moving to Rocket.Chat.
>>
>> -1 as well. As Luigi said, matrix.org is a better replacement because
>> the bridge is already up there. Also, it is federated, and FOSS.
>>
>> --
>> Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team
>> KDE Science supporter
>> GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79
>>
>>
>>
>
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<div dir="ltr">I never heard before we have a Matrix enabled server. -1 for Rocket \
Chat and I will start on Matrix to test ASAP<br> </div><span>
</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 20:17 \
Cristian Baldi <<a \
href="mailto:bld.cris.96@gmail.com">bld.cris.96@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hey \
there,<div><br></div><div>I mainly contribute to the WikiToLearn project and for some \
months we have been using Rocket.Chat (instead of Telegram and IRC which we used in \
the beginning). </div><div><br></div><div>First of all let me tell you that it is \
very hard to migrate users from an existing communication service to a new service. \
Even if at WikiToLearn we officially moved to Rocket.Chat some users still use the \
old communications means daily (mostly for the offtopic channels but some users still \
write in the main/official/support channel too). \
</div><div><br></div><div>Rocket.Chat still has a lot of issues (mostly in term of \
user interface and interaction, many little annoying things that make you hate the \
platform, unless you get used to it). It is getting better daily but there is still \
many work to do (just to give an insight they have 1.7k issues open on their bug \
tracker, many are help requests and duplicates but many other are proper bugs). \
</div><div><br></div><div>The native client could be a solution to many of these UI \
problem but after talking with a few people that developed software based on \
Rocket.Chat (for example Davide Riva (which I am cc-ing, he will tell you more) the \
KDE student working on the Chat Bridge project) there are also a lot of issues with \
their API and inner functionalities (undocumented or wrongly documented features). \
</div><div><br></div><div>Rocket.Chat does not have an official mobile client as of \
today, again Ruquola could solve this once it is compiled for Android. Right now the \
official way to use Rocket.Chat on mobile is to use some kind of wrapped WebView \
which does not work well (when I had that installed I did not receive notifications \
or received them randomly). </div><div><br></div><div>As Jonathan said Rocket.Chat \
(but really, any modern messaging system) offers tons of features missing from \
IRC.</div><div><br></div><div>Telegram works (outside the open source world) because \
it has great native clients, cool features and it is easy to use. <br></div><div>I \
have not tried matrix but it looks promising. </div><div>A few months ago we also \
tried Mattermost (similar to Rocket.Chat but it seems to have gotten much better). \
</div><div>IRC gets the job done but it lacks the features that everyone is used to \
in 2017.</div><div><br></div><div>I would suggest investigating all the alternatives \
and going with the one that works and feels better, offering the best native \
experience and having the most stable core. <br></div></div><div \
dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Cristian</div><div><br></div></div><div \
class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Luca \
Beltrame <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lbeltrame@kde.org" \
target="_blank">lbeltrame@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">Il giorno Tue, 08 Aug 2017 18:16:17 +0200<br> Luigi Toscano \
<<a href="mailto:luigi.toscano@tiscali.it" \
target="_blank">luigi.toscano@tiscali.it</a>><br> ha scritto:<br>
<span><br>
> So -1 for moving to Rocket.Chat.<br>
<br>
</span>-1 as well. As Luigi said, <a href="http://matrix.org" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">matrix.org</a> is a better replacement because<br> the bridge is \
already up there. Also, it is federated, and FOSS.<br> <span \
class="m_-4961904589577820466HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team<br>
KDE Science supporter<br>
GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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