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Subject: Re: Kubuntu and other KDE distribution's use of KDE infrastructure
From: Helio Chissini de Castro <helio () kde ! org>
Date: 2017-01-12 10:49:44
Message-ID: 2062774.zIaQWXcEnZ () trex ! bmw-carit ! intra
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On Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:42:37 AM CET Luca Beltrame wrote:
> Il giorno Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:10:55 +0000
> Helio Chissini de Castro
>
> <heliocastro@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > I requested similar thing for doing Fedora similar things and simply
> > the
>
> Interesting. Were there any motivations for this?
>
> (Notice that my objections are also valid for any distro, so I don't
> think that even the KDE Fedora bits should use KDE infrastructure).
Simple, despite we have a strong KDE packaging team, and even we're kind of now
working together with Mageia KDE team as well, we do have a distribuition that has a
default Gnome desktop, and all efforts on main distribution and the only official build is
Gnome based.
So, doesn't matter our efforts, KDE will not be included as default in Fedora, or RedHat. It's
a businnes choice. And then, each new release we do not have a similar KDE spin that is
sanctioned on both Fedora and parent RedHat company, or even by KDE project.
We do have a KDE spin, but is considered a second class citizen on launch as not even
possible polished as Neon, since at first any resource to make a seamless distro is made
towards Gnome.
There's several hard work from some packagers, like Rex Dieter, the lead on the KDE Sig,
or Kevin Kofler that is been fighting for years to create a KDE only spin ( btw, he made his
first try recently )
So, the reasonable on have Fedora resources on KDE server, and the vm itself, is have a
continuos build on Fedora platform as well "the reference Neon" that garantee the results
of a KDE software will be the same quality on launch day, and even using a sane KDE
defaults. With this would be easy at every new Fedora launch day we have at least a
beatiful KDE stable as well like Kubuntu did and now Neon, and any other KDE based
distro.
Having the software been in CI and garanteed work with latest compilations and commits
will free us to conecntrate in integrate the rest of KDE parts with the distro specifics.
Regards, Helio
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giorno Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:10:55 +0000</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
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<heliocastro@gmail.com> ha scritto:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > I requested similar thing for doing \
Fedora similar things and simply</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > the</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> Interesting. Were there any motivations for this?</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> (Notice that my \
objections are also valid for any distro, so I don't</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> think that even the KDE Fedora bits should \
use KDE infrastructure).</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Simple, despite we have a strong KDE packaging team, and even \
we're kind of now working together with Mageia KDE team as well, we do have a \
distribuition that has a default Gnome desktop, and all efforts on main distribution \
and the only official build is Gnome based.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So, doesn't matter our efforts, KDE will not be \
included as default in Fedora, or RedHat. It's a businnes choice. And then, each new \
release we do not have a similar KDE spin that is sanctioned on both Fedora and \
parent RedHat company, or even by KDE project.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">We do have a KDE spin, but is considered a second \
class citizen on launch as not even possible polished as Neon, since at first any \
resource to make a seamless distro is made towards Gnome. </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">There's several hard work \
from some packagers, like Rex Dieter, the lead on the KDE Sig, or Kevin Kofler that \
is been fighting for years to create a KDE only spin ( btw, he made his first try \
recently )</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So, the reasonable on have \
Fedora resources on KDE server, and the vm itself, is have a continuos build on \
Fedora platform as well "the reference Neon" that garantee the results of a \
KDE software will be the same quality on launch day, and even using a sane KDE \
defaults. With this would be easy at every new Fedora launch day we have at least a \
beatiful KDE stable as well like Kubuntu did and now Neon, and any other KDE based \
distro.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Having the \
software been in CI and garanteed work with latest compilations and commits will free \
us to conecntrate in integrate the rest of KDE parts with the distro specifics.</p> \
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards, Helio</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p></body></html>
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