Dear Eike,

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Eike Hein <hein@kde.org= > wrote:

On 04/27/2016 03:20 AM, Laszlo Papp wrote:

Given how respected, appreciated and well-used Thunderbird has been in
my experience, including industrial environments (only dream for certain KDE subprojects?), I would suggest having a bit more good faith at this
point. Such early conclusions have been brought up about the Qt
framework as well after the Nokia decline. I am now being told that the
Qt business has been doing really well instead.

I'm not saying Thunderbird doesn't have users at present. I'm saying its usage numbers have failed to translate to a revenue
stream or an excess of manpower; problems severe enough its
original parent organization has struggled to keep it going.

* As I know, there was some decline in the payment of= Kubuntu developer(s) by Canonical, too.

* KO Gmbh could not continu= e its operation either as hoped for.

* How about the busi= ness behind Plasma Mobile that AS was trying to establish?
(This is really not about blaming any of the participants. I a= m really happy and grateful that they have all tried to do their best for t= his community!)

These are just three examples = of those that I am aware of. I could provide more if needed, but I am not s= ure revenue defines a KDE project or some support withdrawn behind a projec= t. It is in my understanding neither in the manifesto, nor the vision.
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I would even go further claiming that many (most?) KDE projec= ts have never made it to that level, so for me, Thunderbird as a project is= something to look upon even if it is currently having issues to be resolve= d.

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Would it be possible for you to give a rough estimate with concrete nu= mbers so that we can better understand the impact?

As I k= now, a couple of years ago, the sysadmins were processing the infrastructur= e set up quite quickly. They had done an excellent job at this.

I un= derstand your concern of for instance migrating bugreports, but do they rea= lly have to be, at least right away?

I believe the moneta= ry issues could be discussed for KDE as a whole. I am not sure that they ar= e only relevant for one or two particular subprojects.

For instance,= Thunderbird could also do its own fundraising relying on the success of th= at to a great extent.

(By the way, I am now writing writi= ng these lines as a non-thunderbird user before claiming any bias. I am sti= ll a happy mutt user. :-) )

Best Regards,
L= aszlo Papp

Best Regards,
Laszlo Papp

Cheers,
Eike
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