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Subject: Re: [kde-community] A new home for Mozilla Thunderbird at KDE?
From: Laszlo Papp <lpapp () kde ! org>
Date: 2016-04-26 18:20:08
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Eike Hein <hein@kde.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 04/27/2016 01:58 AM, Teo Mrnjavac wrote:
>
>> This, so much. I see no reason not to expand our presence in different
>> segments of the e-mail clients market, if Thunderbird wishes to join us.
>> The
>> more, the merrier.
>>
>
> I'm not sure they're a good fit for us, unless they bring significant
> manpower/funding with them or continue to enjoy Mozilla backing in some
> form. Thunderbird is used to being developed within an extensive eco-
> system of Mozilla infrastructure (including their customized or home-
> grown bug tracking, CI, test, etc. sites/systems); porting it either
> to our infra or setting up infra for them would probably be a
> significant task we don't have the resources for.
>
> There's also the problem that Thunderbird is a massive codebase with
> few people working on it, and built on technology that's predictably
> legacy (Gecko will ultimately die in favor of Servo; also nobody at
> Mozilla seems to like XPCOM or god forbid XUL for years now). These
> pose significant hurdles to the Thunderbird project I'm not convinced
> it can scale, even with our help.
>
> Incubator, yes. Project cemetary, no. I think cost/benefit and outlook
> say 'no' here.
>
Given how respected, appreciated and well-used Thunderbird has been in my
experience, including industrial environments (only dream for certain KDE
subprojects?), I would suggest having a bit more good faith at this point.
Such early conclusions have been brought up about the Qt framework as well
after the Nokia decline. I am now being told that the Qt business has been
doing really well instead.
Best Regards,
Laszlo Papp
>
>
> Cheers,
>>
>
> Cheers,
> Eike
>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 \
at 6:08 PM, Eike Hein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hein@kde.org" \
target="_blank">hein@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span \
class=""><br> <br>
On 04/27/2016 01:58 AM, Teo Mrnjavac wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> This, so much. I see no reason not to expand our presence in \
different<br> segments of the e-mail clients market, if Thunderbird wishes to join \
us. The<br> more, the merrier.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I'm not sure they're a good fit for us, unless they bring significant<br>
manpower/funding with them or continue to enjoy Mozilla backing in some<br>
form. Thunderbird is used to being developed within an extensive eco-<br>
system of Mozilla infrastructure (including their customized or home-<br>
grown bug tracking, CI, test, etc. sites/systems); porting it either<br>
to our infra or setting up infra for them would probably be a<br>
significant task we don't have the resources for.<br>
<br>
There's also the problem that Thunderbird is a massive codebase with<br>
few people working on it, and built on technology that's predictably<br>
legacy (Gecko will ultimately die in favor of Servo; also nobody at<br>
Mozilla seems to like XPCOM or god forbid XUL for years now). These<br>
pose significant hurdles to the Thunderbird project I'm not convinced<br>
it can scale, even with our help.<br>
<br>
Incubator, yes. Project cemetary, no. I think cost/benefit and outlook<br>
say 'no' here.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Given how respected, \
appreciated and well-used Thunderbird has been in my experience, including industrial \
environments (only dream for certain KDE subprojects?), I would suggest having a bit \
more good faith at this point. Such early conclusions have been brought up about the \
Qt framework as well after the Nokia decline. I am now being told that the Qt \
business has been doing really well instead.<br><br></div><div>Best \
Regards,<br></div><div>Laszlo Papp<br></div><div><br> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> Cheers,<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Eike<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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