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Subject: Re: [kde-community] About ocs-server future
From: Claudio Desideri <happy.snizzo () gmail ! com>
Date: 2016-01-15 15:25:18
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Ok, I admit it. You're right in everything you said. Now I got your point
of view and it was all my fault due to my inability to understand things
and talk with you, of my thick-headness, my lack of pragmatism and
motivation. Therefore I honestly can't go on with partecipating as a
developer in this community. I won't go on with the development of
ocs-server, for all the reasons above, and because I don't feel comfortable
anymore in this community as a contributor with responsabilities towards
the community itself. I'm quitting and no more interested in any ocs
activity as a contributor. I hope you respect my choice and accept my
sincere apologies for the troubles I caused by speaking to everyone.
That said, as a user I have a last genuine question:
What's the future of OCS now? Did something came out at the meeting?
2016-01-15 14:54 GMT+01:00 Sebastian K=C3=BCgler <sebas@kde.org>:
> I'm cutting out a lot of text here, which again contains
> misrepresentations,
> but I don't think discussing these in detail contributes to a conclusion
> here,
> so I'll concentrate on what matters instead.
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016 03:54:15 AM Claudio Desideri wrote:
> > been used replacing openDesktop, however, i got no response at all. Aft=
er
> > repeatedly asking, I was told it would have been part of incubation
> phase.
> > Now, I don't know project phases as much as you do, but I believe
> > incubation happens way before is inside KDE. Then, logically, that mean=
s
> > ocs-server wasn't inside KDE. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> The ocs-server project you were working on doesn't need incubation since =
it
> started inside KDE, as a KDE project. The incubation process is there for
> external project that want to move into KDE with their infrastructure and
> become part of the wider KDE community.
>
> https://community.kde.org/Incubator has more detailed information.
>
> The point that you are misunderstanding, and which I explained to you
> multiple
> times (I recall you were really thick-headed about it, or I simply failed
> explaining it well enough) is that it's not me and not Blue Systems to
> decide
> which codebase gets used and if the opendesktop services are going to be
> replaced at all. This decision is made by the community, and such a
> decision
> simply cannot be made before a solution is ready. If anybody told you tha=
t
> your project would never be used (I'm 100% sure I didn't), then that's at
> best
> guess work. I simply asked you to take part in defining a road forward, y=
ou
> contracted that time and time again into what seemed suitable to your
> mental
> model, or what you wanted to understand. In contrast, this lack of
> understanding of failure of communication was not an issue with every oth=
er
> person I talked to about this topic.
>
> My impression was that you were only interested in ocs-server if there wa=
s
> a
> financial compensation, and that you were not open to consider alternativ=
e
> solutions, should the result of an evaluation bring that forward as the
> most
> promising future roadmap. In my opinion, that attitude lacks intrinsic
> motivation and pragmatism to be really useful for KDE. It's your call,
> however, and I respect that decision.
> --
> sebas
>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Ok, I admit it. You're right in everything you said. Now \
I got your point of view and it was all my fault due to my inability to understand \
things and talk with you, of my thick-headness, my lack of pragmatism and motivation. \
Therefore I honestly can't go on with partecipating as a developer in this \
community. I won't go on with the development of ocs-server, for all the reasons \
above, and because I don't feel comfortable anymore in this community as a \
contributor with responsabilities towards the community itself. I'm quitting and \
no more interested in any ocs activity as a contributor. I hope you respect my choice \
and accept my sincere apologies for the troubles I caused by speaking to \
everyone.<br><br></div>That said, as a user I have a last genuine \
question:<br></div>What's the future of OCS now? Did something came out at the \
meeting?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-01-15 \
14:54 GMT+01:00 Sebastian Kügler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebas@kde.org" \
target="_blank">sebas@kde.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm cutting \
out a lot of text here, which again contains misrepresentations,<br> but I don't \
think discussing these in detail contributes to a conclusion here,<br> so I'll \
concentrate on what matters instead.<br> <span class=""><br>
On Friday, January 15, 2016 03:54:15 AM Claudio Desideri wrote:<br>
> been used replacing openDesktop, however, i got no response at all. After<br>
> repeatedly asking, I was told it would have been part of incubation phase.<br>
> Now, I don't know project phases as much as you do, but I believe<br>
> incubation happens way before is inside KDE. Then, logically, that means<br>
> ocs-server wasn't inside KDE. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.<br>
<br>
</span>The ocs-server project you were working on doesn't need incubation since \
it<br> started inside KDE, as a KDE project. The incubation process is there for<br>
external project that want to move into KDE with their infrastructure and<br>
become part of the wider KDE community.<br>
<br>
<a href="https://community.kde.org/Incubator" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://community.kde.org/Incubator</a> has more detailed \
information.<br> <br>
The point that you are misunderstanding, and which I explained to you multiple<br>
times (I recall you were really thick-headed about it, or I simply failed<br>
explaining it well enough) is that it's not me and not Blue Systems to decide<br>
which codebase gets used and if the opendesktop services are going to be<br>
replaced at all. This decision is made by the community, and such a decision<br>
simply cannot be made before a solution is ready. If anybody told you that<br>
your project would never be used (I'm 100% sure I didn't), then that's at \
best<br> guess work. I simply asked you to take part in defining a road forward, \
you<br> contracted that time and time again into what seemed suitable to your \
mental<br> model, or what you wanted to understand. In contrast, this lack of<br>
understanding of failure of communication was not an issue with every other<br>
person I talked to about this topic.<br>
<br>
My impression was that you were only interested in ocs-server if there was a<br>
financial compensation, and that you were not open to consider alternative<br>
solutions, should the result of an evaluation bring that forward as the most<br>
promising future roadmap. In my opinion, that attitude lacks intrinsic<br>
motivation and pragmatism to be really useful for KDE. It's your call,<br>
however, and I respect that decision.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">--<br>
sebas<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.kde.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org</a> \
| <a href="http://vizZzion.org" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">http://vizZzion.org</a><br> \
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