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From: Scott Petrovic <scottpetrovic () gmail ! com>
Date: 2015-05-26 1:36:35
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The way we are designing this Q&A site, I am starting to think it is a bit
clumsy. This "answer to a question" will always be specific to a project.
Even if we get the filtering thing to work, it will always need to be
filtered on every page. Every project will have to have this sticky state -
hiding all other project questions and answers from the end user. It adds a
level of 'required configuration' that doesn't exist in Q&A sites. This
just seems clunky and unnecessary.
I almost feel that this solution needs to take a slightly different
approach.
1. Have http://answers.kde.org/kde/ go to a KDE specific Q&A site. "What is
KDE". "How do I help with translations". Things like that.
http://answers.kde.org could also redirect to here
2. From there, individual projects will need to request their own Q&A site
if they really think they are wanting one. Krita would be (
https://answers.kde.org/krita/ )
With the Krita pilot site, KDE will be able to decide if the WordPress +
plugin is a good standard for any future infrastructure requests. If the
Krita version is successful, I could also help if KDE wants to have a more
general purpose KDE themed version. This KDE version could also be the base
theme for any new projects that are created in the future.
How does this direction sound? Are there technical hurdles with this? What
are the downsides?
Scott
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Scott Petrovic <scottpetrovic@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Alright.
>
> Carl - I think once we start adding content to this and use it, we don't
> want to have the possibility of everything being deleted. A lot of people
> are going to be spending time building this up. It would be disheartening
> since this is part of a support system. Links will be pointing to this in
> blogs. We will be referencing it in IRC and forums - in addition to any SEO
> benefits that would be lost in the trial months. We need to get a good long
> term solution in place and then roll with it. I think that will create more
> confidence and drive higher usage as well.
>
> Rick - you seem to have a solution for this. Do you want to take a stab at
> making the fixes? With the direction we were going, we were wanting to have
> the search be filtered by category. Also, it would be nice to have a URL
> that would make the categories sticky. That way when you are on a product,
> it will stay on that project. This will make it easier for a project to
> link to the Q&A site and they know everything will be filtered by their
> project. If interested, you can probably put in a infrastructure support
> ticket to get access (https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/).
>
>
> For the styling, we will have to make it KDE styled since it will be for
> all projects. Making the design look like Krita branding would be
> confusing.
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Rick.Timmis <Rick.Timmis@abazander.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Dragon 32
>>
>> Carl Symons <carlsymons@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 05/13/2015 06:02 PM, Scott Petrovic wrote:
>> > I started configuring the Q&A site plugin.
>> >
>> > https://answers.kde.org/
>> >
>> > You can search for questions or add your own. One issue I am having with
>> > this plug-in is you cannot filter by category(product) before you ask a
>> > question. All of the different products get lumped together in the same
>> > search. For the questions I made, typing in "transform" will bring up
>> > questions in multiple products. There is no way to tell what product a
>> > question belongs to currently.
>> >
>> > Out of the solutions that I have found, I haven't seen a Q&A site
>> > solution that is designed in the direction we were going (select a
>> > category, then ask a question). Does anyone else have any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>>
>> My first thought is that this is not ready for general KDE Q&A. The plan
>> was to get the wrinkles out with Krita, using this as a pilot (and dev
>> site). People need to know that it is likely that there will be major
>> tweaks, as well as the possibility that all the data may disappear.
>>
>> I agree with you Scott. I would expect to be able to look for questions
>> dealing with Krita and not get other products. It doesn't work like I
>> thought it would.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I think the Ajax type ahead search might be the cause of the problem. I
>> don't think it will work well with lots of data and results. Also it is
>> most likely not honouring the category selected. Can it be turned off ?
>>
>> I really like this as a starting point, clean, simple and the categories
>> are perfect for KDE Applications.
>>
>> Support for wildcard entries would be good too.
>>
>> So far I like it
>>
>> Rick
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Boudewijn Rempt <boud@valdyas.org
>> > <mailto:boud@valdyas.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > --
>> > Boudewijn Rempt | http://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
>> >
>> > On Wed, 6 May 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:
>> >
>> > Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Boudewijn,
>> >
>> > first of all thanks for replying.
>> >
>> > model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work,
>> > while here we
>> > want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of
>> > game system
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I
>> > ask because at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys
>> > are too good at it yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally
>> > though) other users stepping in and giving advice (this is most
>> > evident in the Plasma 5 forum).
>> >
>> >
>> > Well, as I said, it's mostly a different kind of interaction, so
>> > what I want is give users what they're expecting: a forum for
>> > wide-ranging discussion-type interaction and a q&a site for
>> > questions and answers. The one doesn't replace the other.
>> >
>> >
>> > OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but
>> > it's a start.
>> >
>> > where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as
>> > correct. And then
>> > the site must be easily searchable.
>> >
>> >
>> > This last sentence warrants some additional questions: what are
>> > issues w/search?
>> >
>> >
>> > It's a matter of how google indexes stuff, I'd say.
>> >
>> > Boudewijn
>> >
>> >
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div></div>The way we are designing this \
Q&A site, I am starting to think it is a bit clumsy. This "answer to a \
question" will always be specific to a project. Even if we get the filtering \
thing to work, it will always need to be filtered on every page. Every project will \
have to have this sticky state - hiding all other project questions and answers from \
the end user. It adds a level of 'required configuration' that doesn't \
exist in Q&A sites. This just seems clunky and unnecessary.<br><br></div>I almost \
feel that this solution needs to take a slightly different \
approach.<br></div><br></div>1. Have <a \
href="http://answers.kde.org/kde/">http://answers.kde.org/kde/</a> go to a KDE \
specific Q&A site. "What is KDE". "How do I help with \
translations". Things like that. <a \
href="http://answers.kde.org">http://answers.kde.org</a> could also redirect to \
here<br><br></div>2. From there, individual projects will need to request their own \
Q&A site if they really think they are wanting one. Krita would be ( <a \
href="https://answers.kde.org/krita/">https://answers.kde.org/krita/</a> \
)<br><br></div><div>With the Krita pilot site, KDE will be able to decide if the \
WordPress + plugin is a good standard for any future infrastructure requests. If the \
Krita version is successful, I could also help if KDE wants to have a more general \
purpose KDE themed version. This KDE version could also be the base theme for any new \
projects that are created in the future.<br></div><div><br>How does this direction \
sound? Are there technical hurdles with this? What are the \
downsides?<br><br></div>Scott<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Scott Petrovic <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scottpetrovic@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">scottpetrovic@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Alright.<br><br></div>Carl - I \
think once we start adding content to this and use it, we don't want to have the \
possibility of everything being deleted. A lot of people are going to be spending \
time building this up. It would be disheartening since this is part of a support \
system. Links will be pointing to this in blogs. We will be referencing it in IRC and \
forums - in addition to any SEO benefits that would be lost in the trial months. We \
need to get a good long term solution in place and then roll with it. I think that \
will create more confidence and drive higher usage as well.<br><br></div>Rick - you \
seem to have a solution for this. Do you want to take a stab at making the fixes? \
With the direction we were going, we were wanting to have the search be filtered by \
category. Also, it would be nice to have a URL that would make the categories sticky. \
That way when you are on a product, it will stay on that project. This will make it \
easier for a project to link to the Q&A site and they know everything will be \
filtered by their project. If interested, you can probably put in a infrastructure \
support ticket to get access (<a href="https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/" \
target="_blank">https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/</a>). <br><br><br></div><div>For \
the styling, we will have to make it KDE styled since it will be for all projects. \
Making the design look like Krita branding would be confusing. <br></div><span \
class="HOEnZb"><font \
color="#888888">Scott<br><div><div><br><br><br></div></div></font></span></div><div \
class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Rick.Timmis <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Rick.Timmis@abazander.com" \
target="_blank">Rick.Timmis@abazander.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div \
style="font-size:100%">Sent from my Dragon 32</div></div><span> <br>Carl Symons \
<<a href="mailto:carlsymons@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">carlsymons@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>On 05/13/2015 06:02 PM, Scott \
Petrovic wrote:<br>> I started configuring the Q&A site \
plugin.<br>><br>> <a href="https://answers.kde.org/" \
target="_blank">https://answers.kde.org/</a><br>><br>> You can search for \
questions or add your own. One issue I am having with<br>> this plug-in is you \
cannot filter by category(product) before you ask a<br>> question. All of the \
different products get lumped together in the same<br>> search. For the questions \
I made, typing in "transform" will bring up<br>> questions in multiple \
products. There is no way to tell what product a<br>> question belongs to \
currently.<br>><br>> Out of the solutions that I have found, I haven't seen \
a Q&A site<br>> solution that is designed in the direction we were going \
(select a<br>> category, then ask a question). Does anyone else have any \
thoughts?<br>><br>> Scott<br>><br><br>My first thought is that this is not \
ready for general KDE Q&A. The plan <br>was to get the wrinkles out with Krita, \
using this as a pilot (and dev <br>site). People need to know that it is likely that \
there will be major <br>tweaks, as well as the possibility that all the data may \
disappear.<br><br>I agree with you Scott. I would expect to be able to look for \
questions <br>dealing with Krita and not get other products. It doesn't work like \
I <br>thought it would.<br><br>Carl<br><br></span><div>Hi \
</div><div><br></div><div>I think the Ajax type ahead search might be the cause of \
the problem. I don't think it will work well with lots of data and results. Also \
it is most likely not honouring the category selected. Can it be turned off ? \
</div><div><br></div><div>I really like this as a starting point, clean, simple and \
the categories are perfect for KDE Applications.</div><div><br></div><div>Support for \
wildcard entries would be good too.</div><div><br></div><div>So far I like \
it</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Rick</div></font></span><div><div><div>><br>><br>> \
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Boudewijn Rempt <<a \
href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org" target="_blank">boud@valdyas.org</a><br>> \
<mailto:<a href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org" \
target="_blank">boud@valdyas.org</a>>> wrote:<br>><br>> \
--<br>> Boudewijn Rempt | <a href="http://www.valdyas.org" \
target="_blank">http://www.valdyas.org</a> | <a href="https://www.krita.org" \
target="_blank">https://www.krita.org</a><br>><br>> On Wed, 6 May 2015, \
Luca Beltrame wrote:<br>><br>> Boudewijn Rempt \
wrote:<br>><br>> Hello Boudewijn,<br>><br>> \
first of all thanks for replying.<br>><br>> model. The \
forum encourages discussion and sharing work,<br>> while \
here we<br>> want to have a question per topic, answers, \
and a kind of<br>> game system<br>><br>><br>> \
Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I<br>> \
ask because at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys<br>> \
are too good at it yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally<br>> \
though) other users stepping in and giving advice (this is most<br>> \
evident in the Plasma 5 forum).<br>><br>><br>> Well, as I said, \
it's mostly a different kind of interaction, so<br>> what I want is \
give users what they're expecting: a forum for<br>> wide-ranging \
discussion-type interaction and a q&a site for<br>> questions and \
answers. The one doesn't replace the other.<br>><br>><br>> \
OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but<br>> \
it's a start.<br>><br>> where answers can be \
upvoted or downvoted and marked as<br>> correct. And \
then<br>> the site must be easily \
searchable.<br>><br>><br>> This last sentence warrants some \
additional questions: what are<br>> issues \
w/search?<br>><br>><br>> It's a matter of how google indexes \
stuff, I'd say.<br>><br>> Boudewijn<br>><br>><br>> \
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