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Subject: Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision
From: David Wright <david.wright12886 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2014-09-20 21:44:45
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I wonder whether going forward we would be better served by asking the
question of our users, 'What do you need KDE* to be for you?'
Because essentially we are saying that with plasma 5 and kf5 it could be
anything you want it to be.
Maybe we should start by splitting this into commercial and consumer needs
and take it from there. I know from my company that KDE would suit us as
KDE for Windows would allow us to slowly shift over desktop apps first,
before swapping out the o/s from underneath. We can't be the only company
in a similar boat.
*By KDE here im referring to the software, as I'm not sure what the term is
for the amalgamation of plasma 5 / kf5 & applications
Ps. Typing this on my phone in a tent in Wales, UK, so sorry if it reads a
bit disjointed.
On 20 Sep 2014 22:00, "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo@kde.org> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 20, 2014 10.15:56 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > On Friday 19 September 2014 19:04:53 Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Lake <jamboarder@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > Image: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png
> > >
> > > I would say "Plasma and Frameworks at the center."
> >
> > I think it's right to put the KDE desktop in the center in addition to
> the
> > KDE frameworks. It's Plasma and the application which are our base and
> > where we are coming from. It's this whole set which gives us the
> > integration points we can use to expand to cloud, to devices, to other
> > services. The desktop is a great starting point.
>
> Plasma was intended as a way to move beyond the "desktop" while retaining
> the
> "desktop" as a first class citizen, so that paragraph contains some irony.
>
> I use "desktop" in quotation marks because the end-user computing tasks
> performed on laptops and desktop computers have been moving to
> non-"desktop"
> form factors for some years now while the "desktop" type hardware has been
> slowly adopting some hardware characteristics of non-"desktop" devices.
> Fixating on "the desktop" is to bury one's head in the sand about that
> reality.
>
> Finally, the desktop has always been the primary focus. It has never not
> been
> the starting point. (Despite Plasma's goals.)
>
> This vision sounds like it comes from KDE circa 2005. Perhaps that's the
> goal,
> since as Andrew wrote, "These thoughts are not intended to suggest an
> entirely
> new direction." However, this leaves me slightly stumped as to what the
> goal
> is here.
>
> Is it to remind KDE what it is, because that's been forgotten?
> Is it to reaffirm what KDE is as a means to pull back into its own center?
>
> --
> Aaron J. Seigo
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> kde-community@kde.org
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<p dir="ltr">I wonder whether going forward we would be better served by asking the question of our \
users, 'What do you need KDE* to be for you?'</p> <p dir="ltr">Because essentially we are saying \
that with plasma 5 and kf5 it could be anything you want it to be. </p> <p dir="ltr">Maybe we should \
start by splitting this into commercial and consumer needs and take it from there. I know from my company \
that KDE would suit us as KDE for Windows would allow us to slowly shift over desktop apps first, before \
swapping out the o/s from underneath. We can't be the only company in a similar boat.</p> <p \
dir="ltr">*By KDE here im referring to the software, as I'm not sure what the term is for the \
amalgamation of plasma 5 / kf5 & applications</p> <p dir="ltr">Ps. Typing this on my phone in a tent \
in Wales, UK, so sorry if it reads a bit disjointed. </p> <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 Sep 2014 22:00, \
"Aaron J. Seigo" <<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br \
type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">On Saturday, September 20, 2014 10.15:56 Cornelius Schumacher wrote:<br> > On \
Friday 19 September 2014 19:04:53 Valorie Zimmerman wrote:<br> > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM, \
Andrew Lake <<a href="mailto:jamboarder@gmail.com">jamboarder@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > \
> Image: <a href="http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png" \
target="_blank">http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png</a><br> > ><br>
> > I would say "Plasma and Frameworks at the center."<br>
><br>
> I think it's right to put the KDE desktop in the center in addition to the<br>
> KDE frameworks. It's Plasma and the application which are our base and<br>
> where we are coming from. It's this whole set which gives us the<br>
> integration points we can use to expand to cloud, to devices, to other<br>
> services. The desktop is a great starting point.<br>
<br>
Plasma was intended as a way to move beyond the "desktop" while retaining the<br>
"desktop" as a first class citizen, so that paragraph contains some irony.<br>
<br>
I use "desktop" in quotation marks because the end-user computing tasks<br>
performed on laptops and desktop computers have been moving to non-"desktop"<br>
form factors for some years now while the "desktop" type hardware has been<br>
slowly adopting some hardware characteristics of non-"desktop" devices.<br>
Fixating on "the desktop" is to bury one's head in the sand about that<br>
reality.<br>
<br>
Finally, the desktop has always been the primary focus. It has never not been<br>
the starting point. (Despite Plasma's goals.)<br>
<br>
This vision sounds like it comes from KDE circa 2005. Perhaps that's the goal,<br>
since as Andrew wrote, "These thoughts are not intended to suggest an entirely<br>
new direction." However, this leaves me slightly stumped as to what the goal<br>
is here.<br>
<br>
Is it to remind KDE what it is, because that's been forgotten?<br>
Is it to reaffirm what KDE is as a means to pull back into its own center?<br>
<br>
--<br>
Aaron J. Seigo<br>_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community</a><br></blockquote></div>
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