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Subject: Re: [kde-community] KDE applications 4.14 LTS or 4.15?
From: Inge Wallin <inge () lysator ! liu ! se>
Date: 2014-04-26 3:28:18
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On Saturday, April 26, 2014 00:22:06 Aleix Pol wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Mario Fux <kde-ml@unormal.org> wrote:
> > Morning gals and guys
> >
> > First: there are several mailing lists in the "TO:" above but please just
> > write to the kde-devel mailing list for this discussion.
> >
> > As the release schedule for our KDE applications in the version 4.14 [1]
> > were
> > finalized at the beginning of this week it's time to discuss if 4.14
> > should
> > become a LTS release (e.g. until August 2015 like KDE Workspaces 4.11) or
> > if
> > we need (at least) another features release and thus 4.15?
> >
> > So what do you think? And most important, what do you, the KDE apps
> > developers, think? Do you plan to develop new features with Qt4 and the
> > KDE
> > Platform 4 or do you plan to port your application to the KDE Frameworks 5
> > as
> > soon as they have a stable release (like this June ;-).
> >
> > Best regards
> > Mario
>
> I would like to see applications starting to use KF5 more and more. I agree
> it can be a special case, but the 3 oldest projects I maintain (KDevelop
> which is not in SC, KAlgebra and Kamoso) are mostly ready for action.
>
> On the other hand, I don't see a reason for waiting more to adopt Qt5 on
> our projects.
While I agree with you, this doesn't answer the question at all.
But mostly I think that an LTS release should be about stability. This is not
something you get immediately after you port to a new framework and a new
toolkit at the same time.
I think we should do a 4.15 and at the same time do as much work as possible
to port over to Qt5/KF5. But to think that the result of that effort is worthy
of a LTS release is to fool ourselves.
And to put another datapoint into the pot: My application which is part of the
KDE SC, Parley, is undergoing some big transitions which will not be ready for
4.14. For that reason too I want a 4.15.
I am also working on Calligra Author, but that is not part of the KDE SC but
Calligra which has a separate release cycle.
-Inge
> Aleix
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9:09 PM, Mario Fux <kde-ml@unormal.org> wrote:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Morning gals and guys</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > First: there are \
several mailing lists in the "TO:" above but please just</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > write to the \
kde-devel mailing list for this discussion.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
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margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > As the release schedule for our KDE \
applications in the version 4.14 [1]</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > were</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > finalized at the beginning of this week \
it's time to discuss if 4.14</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > should</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > become a LTS release (e.g. until August 2015 like KDE \
Workspaces 4.11) or</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > if</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > we need (at least) another features release and thus \
4.15?</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > So what do you \
think? And most important, what do you, the KDE apps</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > developers, think? Do you plan to \
develop new features with Qt4 and the</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > KDE</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Platform 4 or do you plan to port your \
application to the KDE Frameworks 5</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > as</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > soon as they have a stable release (like this June \
;-).</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Best regards</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Mario</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> I would like to see \
applications starting to use KF5 more and more. I agree</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> it can be a special \
case, but the 3 oldest projects I maintain (KDevelop</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> which is not in SC, KAlgebra and Kamoso) are \
mostly ready for action.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> On the other hand, I don't see a reason for waiting more to \
adopt Qt5 on</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> our \
projects.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">While I agree with you, this \
doesn't answer the question at all.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But mostly I think that an LTS release should be \
about stability. This is not something you get immediately after you port to a new \
framework and a new toolkit at the same time.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think we should do a 4.15 and at the same time \
do as much work as possible to port over to Qt5/KF5. But to think that the result of \
that effort is worthy of a LTS release is to fool ourselves.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And to put another datapoint \
into the pot: My application which is part of the KDE SC, Parley, is undergoing some \
big transitions which will not be ready for 4.14. For that reason too I want a \
4.15.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am also working on Calligra \
Author, but that is not part of the KDE SC but Calligra which has a separate release \
cycle. </p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> -Inge</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Aleix</p></body></html>
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