From kde-community Mon Jan 20 09:49:29 2014 From: Harald Sitter Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 09:49:29 +0000 To: kde-community Subject: Re: [kde-community] Retiring applications - was - Re: Applications in KDE Generation 5 Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-community&m=139021141220026 On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > El Dimecres, 15 de gener de 2014, a les 21:47:17, John Layt va escriure: >> Hi, >> >> * A number of our apps and utilities really have had their day and >> need "retiring", e.g. KsCD, Kppp, KFloppy. There's no point keeping >> low-quality or unmaintained apps around just to try ship a "complete >> desktop experience", especially if there are other better apps out >> there (even if not KDE ones). Being part of the official release >> should be a stamp of quality: make apps work for it. Lets go through >> the existing apps and agree what needs dropping to Extragear or >> Unmaintained. > > I am not conviced by that, we probably still have some users for that and i'm > pretty sure some of those apps still get roaming fixes from people, if you > move them out from the "apps we release on each release", you'll end up with > the K3b situation, an application that has had bugfixes but hasn't had a > release in ages so noone is beneffiting from those bugfixes because there's > noone around that has enough "power" to do a release. Random ramblings of the day: Getting the odd fix here and there does not related in any form or fashion to the quality though. If any of the people doing the k3b fixes cared enough I am sure they had done a release. It's not like only someone who got themselves a maintainer badge can do releases after all. The problem however is that the applications John mentioned, are hard to crowd maintain (i.e. put on life support and everyone feels jointly responsible for the quality of those applications, thus providing rather sensible releases) because they require hardware and/or special knowledge. Kppp for example, I'd totally throw random fixes at it except it is nigh impossible to test this thing accurately because I have no physical modem and no knowledge of how the ppp stack would or should work in general. Same goes for kfloppy. It'd be jolly hard to find anyone who still has a working floppy drive and can use it on a machine new enough to run an up-to-date system. Keeping *actually* unmaintained software in monthly releases creates the wrong impression. We really are lying to the user and ourselves here. We create the impression that kppp is actively being maintained and cared for while in fact it is not [1][2]. Now that fact is easy enough to ignore for everyone who does not need to use kppp. For everyone who does it's basically a slap in the face a la 'got ya, we are not really maintaining this, just wanted to have you spend time on filing a bug report that will not ever see a reply from a dev'. It is not nice, and it is not fair. If the people doing fixes to such half-dead software actually stepped up and took over maintenance, the software would not be unmaintained and didn't need to get dropped out of the SC; also the world would be a much better place. [1] http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kppp.git&a=shortlog&h=ab56f7593087179ceeef28ae8e70e1cdae8faf3c [2] https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=kppp&component=general&resolution=---&list_id=909065 HS _______________________________________________ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community