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List:       kde-commits
Subject:    Re: kdenetwork/kit/icons
From:       Antonio Larrosa =?iso-8859-1?q?Jim=E9nez?= <larrosa () kde ! org>
Date:       2002-10-31 15:19:14
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El Jueves, 31 de Octubre de 2002 14:50, Neil Stevens escribió:
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> On Thursday October 31, 2002 05:30, Antonio Larrosa Jiménez wrote:
> > El Jueves, 31 de Octubre de 2002 13:54, Neil Stevens escribió:
> > (*) non-essential because only crystalsvg is guaranteed to be
> > installed on every KDE system. kdeclassic will only be installed where
> > people install kdeartwork or when they get the icon theme from
> > kde-look.org.
>
> I'm sorry that you consider the look of KDE for years is non-essential,
> but I disagree.

You can disagree, but if it's optional (read: not in kdelibs or kdebase) 
then it's non-essential (even if it's in kdeartwork or kdegraphics or 
whatever)

> > To put it brief, and given that you have cvs access, the best is that
> > you commit your icons to kdeartwork/IconThemes/kdeclassic, but, guess
> > what?, we already thought of that and put them there. Again, then ...
> > what (and why) are we discussing all this and I wasn't able to start
> > yet a new application I've been thinking to do for the last days?
>
> Well, I'm the one who's taking the extra efforts to make the extra
> support. It's only an inconvenience to you if you complain.

That's what I'd like to know, what are those extra efforts you're doing?
Keeping them in kdenetwork instead of where they belong? (kdeartwork)

> And as far as location, these *are* the only icons available.  Not one
> crystal kit icon has been created, and I have not been informed of any
> efforts to make any.  I'm not going to remove these icons, and make the
> Kit app have no icon, and the Kit message window toolbar be full of
> question marks.  That's harmful with no benefit.
>

That's talking nonsense. Why do you say that? Do you really think we want 
kit have no icon in its toolbars or somewhere else? If you remove those 
hi* icons and keep cr* icons kit will have the correct icons shown. 

> > El Jueves, 31 de Octubre de 2002 13:54, Neil Stevens escribió:
> > > Well, it's in two parts.  Yes, it's always been done that way, but
> > > also I *liked* it that way.  Many KDE users have preferred KDE's
> > > look to the
> >
> > Hmmm, I see, when you said "standards" you really meant "the
> > hicolor/kdeclassic icon theme", so your whole sentence really was
> > "I disapprove of abandoning the old hicolor icon theme". Which is
> > completely wrong because hicolor wasn't abandoned, just moved to
> > another cvs module and changed its name.
>
> Well, you yourself called it non-essential.  It's being left to rot.

Well, I've never painted icon themes (and you said you didn't neither) so 
definitely none of us can mantain it. If you want to continue tackat's 
work and paint new icons for kdeclassic, you're very welcome to do so... 
but in the correct place.

>
> > > look of other environments.  And the fact some developers have
> > > caught on to a new fad doesn't change my preferences, and my
> > > willingness to support users who always liked KDE the old way.
> >
> > That's why we have icon themes and people can choose which one to use
> > :) There's nothing wrong with that.
>
> Unless you happen to like the defaults, in which case your setting will
> be removed and the new fad forced upon you, as is the case for KDE 3.1. 
> So no, don't talk to me about choices unless that's being fixed.

If you want KDE to distribute two icon themes on kdelibs, just propose it 
clearly, but to the correct place (/dev/nu^H^H^H^H... hmmm, kde-core-devel 
;-) note it was a joke because I think it's clear we don't want to 
distribute two icon themes)

>
> > > So I tried to say there was no need to change everything.  I *did*
> > > send a mail, but I'm not always well received.  Now that the change
> > > is
> >
> > I didn't receive your mail, and I'm the current icon loader mantainer.
> > About that you're not always well received... if you're right, then
> > you're right and if you're not, then you're not, I don't play
> > politics. Also I don't have "black-lists", so I'm sure you didn't send
> > that mail to the right person.
>
> Change to KDE's long-standing look was discussed on mailing lists.
>

I've been out of the lists for some months, so maybe it was discussed at 
that time. Anyway, the result was clear and crystal is the default.

> > > happening, so I am just trying to cooperate with the change without
> > > compromising my sense of loyalty.  Yes, that means supporting the
> > > old set of icons.
> >
> > That's great, I didn't know you also draw icons :)
>
> I don't, in general.  I find others to do it for me.  So unless someone
> volunteers, Kit will never, ever have Crystal icons.  So this whole
> discussion is moot.
>
> So the build system is totally dropping support for it?  How very
> tedious and error-prone.  So yes, the message is clear that support for
> this style is being dropped.

We can't support every icon theme on all modules in cvs.
I still can't see, what's the problem with you mantaining kdeclassic on 
kdeartwork/IconThemes/kdeclassic instead of kdenetwork/kit and 
kdemultimedia/kaboodle ?

> Thank you for your answer,
>

You're welcome.

Greetings,

--
Antonio Larrosa Jimenez
KDE core developer - larrosa@kde.org
http://devel-home.kde.org/~larrosa/
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human.  At best he is 
a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not make 
messes in the house.
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