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List:       kde-commits
Subject:    Re: kdenetwork/kit/icons
From:       Neil Stevens <neil () qualityassistant ! com>
Date:       2002-10-31 13:50:34
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On Thursday October 31, 2002 05:30, Antonio Larrosa Jiménez wrote:
> El Jueves, 31 de Octubre de 2002 13:54, Neil Stevens escribió:
> (*) non-essential because only crystalsvg is guaranteed to be installed
> on every KDE system. kdeclassic will only be installed where people
> install kdeartwork or when they get the icon theme from kde-look.org.

I'm sorry that you consider the look of KDE for years is non-essential, but 
I disagree.

> To put it brief, and given that you have cvs access, the best is that
> you commit your icons to kdeartwork/IconThemes/kdeclassic, but, guess
> what?, we already thought of that and put them there. Again, then ...
> what (and why) are we discussing all this and I wasn't able to start yet
> a new application I've been thinking to do for the last days?

Well, I'm the one who's taking the extra efforts to make the extra support.  
It's only an inconvenience to you if you complain.

And as far as location, these *are* the only icons available.  Not one 
crystal kit icon has been created, and I have not been informed of any 
efforts to make any.  I'm not going to remove these icons, and make the 
Kit app have no icon, and the Kit message window toolbar be full of 
question marks.  That's harmful with no benefit.

> El Jueves, 31 de Octubre de 2002 13:54, Neil Stevens escribió:
> > Well, it's in two parts.  Yes, it's always been done that way, but
> > also I *liked* it that way.  Many KDE users have preferred KDE's look
> > to the
>
> Hmmm, I see, when you said "standards" you really meant "the
> hicolor/kdeclassic icon theme", so your whole sentence really was
> "I disapprove of abandoning the old hicolor icon theme". Which is
> completely wrong because hicolor wasn't abandoned, just moved to another
> cvs module and changed its name.

Well, you yourself called it non-essential.  It's being left to rot.

> > look of other environments.  And the fact some developers have caught
> > on to a new fad doesn't change my preferences, and my willingness to
> > support users who always liked KDE the old way.
>
> That's why we have icon themes and people can choose which one to use :)
> There's nothing wrong with that.

Unless you happen to like the defaults, in which case your setting will be 
removed and the new fad forced upon you, as is the case for KDE 3.1.  So 
no, don't talk to me about choices unless that's being fixed.

> > So I tried to say there was no need to change everything.  I *did*
> > send a mail, but I'm not always well received.  Now that the change is
>
> I didn't receive your mail, and I'm the current icon loader mantainer.
> About that you're not always well received... if you're right, then
> you're right and if you're not, then you're not, I don't play politics.
> Also I don't have "black-lists", so I'm sure you didn't send that mail
> to the right person.

Change to KDE's long-standing look was discussed on mailing lists.

> > happening, so I am just trying to cooperate with the change without
> > compromising my sense of loyalty.  Yes, that means supporting the old
> > set of icons.
>
> That's great, I didn't know you also draw icons :)

I don't, in general.  I find others to do it for me.  So unless someone 
volunteers, Kit will never, ever have Crystal icons.  So this whole 
discussion is moot.

> Just do it from the right place, and after you learn how icon themes
> work.
>
> > So again, if hi-* won't install icons to the KDE 2 style, what will?
>
> See above (about kdeartwork) or use something like
> $(kde_icondir)/kdeclassic/22x22/actions/whatever.png
> in your Makefiles.

So the build system is totally dropping support for it?  How very tedious 
and error-prone.  So yes, the message is clear that support for this style 
is being dropped.

Thank you for your answer,

- -- 
Neil Stevens - neil@qualityassistant.com
"The nearest I can make it out, 'Love your Enemies' means, 'Hate your
Friends'." - Benjamin Franklin
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