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Subject: Re: Inactive mailing lists
From: Yurii Kolesnykov <yurikoles () gmail ! com>
Date: 2023-11-30 8:23:42
Message-ID: F55A0023-4F74-41B5-9412-9065CF677B69 () gmail ! com
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Personally I vote for migration of mailing lists to Discuss. It has a modern WebUI \
with 0Auth for those who is unfamiliar with mailing lists, so it will alove to engage \
more new people + mailing list mode who prefer them.
> 27 квіт. 2023 р. о 22:42 Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss <joseph@kde.org> \
> написав(ла):
> Cross-posting to the relevant mailing lists.
>
> To discuss, please answer to kde-community@kde.org.
>
> tl;dr There are several inactive or unused lists of the 181 mailing lists at KDE. \
> What do we want to do with them?
> This is a post about inactive or unused mailing lists. For a general discussion \
> about (active) mailing lists at KDE, please start a new thread or wait until I \
> address that, likely in the very near future.
> _Inactive Mailing Lists_
>
> For a better understanding of what works and what needs improvement in KDE's \
> internal communications, I started by looking at the 181 mailing lists publicly \
> listed at:
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/
>
> Here I see 51 mailing lists which might be considered inactive, some of which were \
> never used at all. There may be more to add to this upon further inspection, but \
> these seem like a good place to start.
> By inactive I mean there has been very low or no activity in the past 2-3 years at \
> least, and for most lists the last post was 4+ years ago. For several of these \
> lists, there are long gaps in activity, often with no community responses to the \
> most recent posts.
> The 51 mailing lists are included at the end of this email.
>
> Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is *not* the same as a list \
> that has no activity. Some communities do not need regular communication for that \
> community to be active. If you see your community's mailing list here and think it \
> is a mistake, please let me know! My apologies in advance if this is the case.
> Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a project is inactive. \
> It only means the mailing list is not a frequently used channel of communication. \
> There are many other channels for community discussion (e.g., Matrix, Discuss, \
> etc.).
> _Some Questions To The KDE Community_
>
> * What do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists?
>
> * Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I didn't see anything at the \
> Community Wiki. [1]
> * Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive mailing lists for posterity? I \
> see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the "Mailing list ARChives" [3].
> * Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to somewhere with \
> generally higher activity (specifically, I am thinking Discuss)? I can imagine \
> being in a more active online space could increase general participation for \
> otherwise low activity groups.
> _Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_
>
> I am sure there are reasons both for and against closing mailing lists. Here are \
> just some reasons I can think of to close inactive ones:
> * The more communication channels there are, the more fractured KDE's communication \
> is.
> * It may not be obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a list is no longer \
> in use, resulting in wasted energy signing up for an inactive one.
> * Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce motivation for futher \
> contributions from members, especially when posts go unanswered.
> * Moving some communities to more lively platforms may increase their overall \
> activity.
> * There could be a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's server \
> infrastructure by removing or deactivating unused services.
> Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular group by pointing \
> out low activity, or arguing we need to close any specific list. If there is a \
> reason -- any reason at all -- to keep a list open, then let's keep it open! I \
> myself like mailing lists for various forms of communication (announcements, \
> long-form discussion, information which I want to archive locally for future \
> reference, etc.).
> If I made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It is a challenge to \
> go through 181 lists and not make any errors, though I tried my best not to.
> I look forward to reading your thoughts and suggestions!
>
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> [1] https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists
> [2] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel
> [3] https://marc.info/
>
> # Overview
>
> Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following:
>
> * 12 are lists that have never been used and 1 was already closed
> * 27 are potentially-inactive general lists
> * 11 are potentially-inactive language or country-specific lists
>
> # Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists]
>
> ## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the \
> archives are currently empty.")
> * Calligra-author: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author
> * Cantor-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs
> * Gcompris-espanol: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol
> * Kde-dashboard: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard
> * kde-games-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs
> * Kde-i18n-it: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it
> * Kde-l10n-my: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my
> * Kde-l10n-sw: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw
> * KDE-Look: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look
> * Kde-partnership: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership
> * Kdepim-builds: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds
> * neon-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs
>
> ## Officially Closed [1 list]
>
> * kde-nonlinux: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux
>
> # Inactive General Lists [27 lists]
>
> ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists]
>
> * kde-artists: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists
> * Heaptrack: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack
> * CuteHMI: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi
> * Khtml-cvs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs
> * Cki-attendees: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees
>
> ## Currently Inactive With Low Previous Activity [2 lists]
>
> * Snorenotify: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify
> * KXStitch: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch
>
> ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [16 lists]
>
> * Choquk-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel
> * Kde-embedded: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded
> * Kde-buildsystem: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem
> * WikiToLearn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn
> * Marble-commits: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits
> * Ksecretservice-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel
> * KDE-Telepathy: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy
> * Kde-speech: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech
> * Kexi: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi
> * Enterprise: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise
> * Marble: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble
> * kde-women: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women
> * kde-usa: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa
> * kopete-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel
> * Kde-scm-interest: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest
> * Kexi-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel
>
> ## No Activity In 7+ Years [4 lists]
>
> * SymbolEditor: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor
> * Gcompris-portugues: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues
> * kdelibs-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs
> * QmlWeb: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb
>
> # Inactive Language/Country-Specific Mailing Lists [11 lists]
>
> ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [2 lists]
>
> * Kde-i18n-eu: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu
> * Kde-edu-pt_br: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br
>
> ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [5 lists]
>
> * Kde-i18n-uk: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk
> * KDE-india: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india
> * Kde-l10n-in: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in
> * Kde-latam: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam
> * Kde-l10n-kn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn
>
> ## No Activity In 7+ Years [3 lists]
>
> * Kde-el: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el
> * kde-mexico: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico
> * Kde-l10n-si: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si
>
> ## Infrequently Active [1 list]
>
> * KDE-Italia: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia
>
> --
> Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss
> KDE Internal Communications & KDE Eco Community Manager
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>
> Generally available Monday-Thursday from 10-16h CET/CEST. Outside of these times it \
> may take a little longer for me to respond.
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