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List:       kde-bugs-dist
Subject:    [kmix] [Bug 320949] Percentage indicator on KMix window
From:       Piotr Mierzwinski <piotr.mierzwinski () gmail ! com>
Date:       2015-04-26 23:16:44
Message-ID: bug-320949-17878-2e0UaNTfPs () http ! bugs ! kde ! org/
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--- Comment #17 from Piotr Mierzwinski <piotr.mierzwinski@gmail.com> ---
@Christian
[Christian] - Overlap:
I think this is issue of merge the patches or choosing the best option.
From my side the best option is that more usable/comfortable for end user.

[Christian] - More Clutter in Config dialog
Please. One more option didn't make that config dialog will be more cluttered
than it is. Just check Configure in KMix (KDE4). We can see there in section
General->Visual three options one below the other. In my opinion one more will
not make difference.
Configure  in KMix: 
https://kmix5.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/2013-12-kmixsoundmenu.png
And by the way. I think this screen doesn't look too good. I'm not GUI
designer, but I can send some proposal to Reviewboard.
I'm talking, of course, about KDE4, but for Frameworks 5 I found screen where
Configure dialog looks very similar. I'm not sure if now something changed.
https://kmix5.wordpress.com/2014/08/14/kmix-on-kde-frameworks-5/

[Christian]
 - You have to get it right and test whether layout will be correct:
 -- horizontal and vertical. 
 -- Test layout In main window and tray
 -- Test all that again with theme changes
 -- Please note that the 
 - Long-term development commitment. Layouts tend to break with Qt, Window
manger, Plasma or other library changes.
I think this is directed to Gabe (or other person who put proposal in
Reviewboard). :/
I think that layout (in Qt) is breaking in rare situation. This should be huge
changes. I'm talking base on my experience with using KDE and their application
in other WMs.
Layout can go break also by incorrect design made by programmer where labels
have fixed sizes, so reviewer should check it.
I understand that tool tip from https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/123121/ is
not able to break dialog, so you will not have to worry these issues. But I
think that from user side more comfortable is my proposal. End user and
maintainer/person like you have different objectives. One of them want pretty
and comfortable GUI and second want less work in maintaining. Unfortunately are
often conflicting objectives. :-/

[Christian] Why it has been discarded? It was never available in KDE4, and the
original person who submitted the change had obviously no interest in porting
it form KDE3 to KDE4. 
The most likely  you are right about no existing percentage indicator in KMix
with KDE4. I don't remember when I've seen it. I was sure it was (in some older
version), thats why I've told about discarding. To be sure I did some research
and I found a lot of screen shots where there wasn't percentage, but there were
two (as below) where seems that such indicator existed, or maybe this is only
design concept :-/. I'm not able to prove it.
http://jhau.maliwi.de/linux/img/kmix-in.png
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5aTQjCb58L0/TmlE_cmtbaI/AAAAAAAABJY/S3GN1wvPgNg/s1600/audio_conf.png
 Additionally some screens which (for sure) are looking like some proposals,
because they come from "reviewboard".
https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2013/08/24/kmix_applet5.png
https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2014/05/04/9d6b0ca4-5a75-45cc-ab8e-61b13d4079e6__kmix_horizontal_new.png
 https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2013/08/22/kmix_applet.png

[Christian] This is why I must ask you (and you should ask yourself): Will you
port it to KDE4 and KDE5? What about fixes for Wayland?
Again I think this is directed to Gabe, but I'll try to take a stand.
I think we are talking here about KDE4 :-/. And about KDE5 (actually Frameworks
5) that I think there GUI is done in QML2 (Qt Quick 2) so any changes/fixes are
easiest to made and how it will looks like depends to Qt5 (and QML2
interpreter). I don't know if KMix GUI is already ported to Qt Quick2, probably
not. I'm not sure if Gabe is familiar with this technology (this is question to
him). And who will port tool tip from .../r/123121/. Is there any volunteer?
About Wayland. I'm not expert from Wayland (for sure Martin Gräßlin it is).
Reading Martin's posts in planetkde I'm not sure if any changes in Wayland
depend to Qt/KDE GUI.
By the way I'm not happy that from Plasma 5 and Frameworks 5 disappearing
percentage indicators (I saw some screenshots, for instance referring to energy
management).

@Gabe
If this is no problem then could you upload to Reviewboard some screenshot(s)
of your proposal and make it as public, because I met message: "You don't have
access to this review request." when I was trying check it. Thanks in advance.

@Christian
Of course you will do what you want. I'm not insist you to chose my proposal
and Gabe patch. I've told you why I think that it is better than current
design.
I'm KDE users from years and just I want that KDE was the best (usable and
comfortable). :-)

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