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List:       kde-bugs-dist
Subject:    [Bug 155341] Session cannot be saved
From:       ken manheimer <ken.manheimer () gmail ! com>
Date:       2008-12-02 23:05:57
Message-ID: 20081202230557.876971314A () immanuel ! kde ! org
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--- Comment #35 from ken manheimer <ken manheimer gmail com>  2008-12-03 00:05:54 ---
i think you say at the end that this is not the right place to discuss this,
but you also say something along the way that mistakes what i was trying to
convey.  i'd like to just briefly comment on that, and then i'll let the matter
rest.

you say:

> it is not within my reach to fix incorrect assumptions. in this case the
> assumption that labeling it a "wishlist" item (which actually means "requesting
> a new feature", which this absolutely is for kickoff or the other launchers in
> plasma) means the developer are sweeping it under the rug.
>
> that is a flawed assumption.

i did not mean to suggest that anyone is trying to sweep anything under the
rug.  i do not believe that to be the case.

what i think is behind the shrill and/or insistent voices, including mine, is a
perception - rightly or wrongly - that a nuance of the problem is being missed
in your assessment.  in particular, that the presence of gui for restoring a
saved session (System Settings / Advanced / Session Manager / "Restore manually
saved session") without gui to save the session - or any indication that there
are no such gui provisions - is at fault.  while there are workarounds, they do
not address specifically the plight of those who are mislead by the "restore"
button to believe there is gui for saving.  that is the reason i've been
arguing for identifying this as a bug (which i could see addressed, though not
optimally, with a note by "Restore manually saved session" clarifying the
absence of gui to do the save).

further, your impression that users are merely trying to control and dominate
the prioritization for their pet problems may be mistaking frustration at
feeling unheard.  even if that feeling is mistaken, it's often behind these
kinds of tugs-of-war.  i believe you feel similarly unheard, and that
frustration is behind your characterizing my and/or others persistence as
attempts to subvert (ie, distort) priorities.  i don't want to subvert
anything, and am willing to wait for a fix.  i just didn't believe that the
misleading nature of the "restore manually saved" dealie was being recognized.

i also don't want to abuse bugs.kde.org, and didn't realize i was doing so
until you mentioned it.  (have you all considered launchpad?  it comes with
more facilities, and i believe is available for such projects as kde.)  anyway,
i hope i haven't completely used up any welcome, and i'll let the matter drop.

ken


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