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List:       kde-bugs-dist
Subject:    [Bug 104828] New: Wish (improving kxkb);
From:       Radostin Radnev <radnev () yahoo ! com>
Date:       2005-04-30 13:10:47
Message-ID: 20050430151044.104828.radnev () yahoo ! com
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           Summary: Wish (improving kxkb); Better keyboard layout switch
                    configuration dialog
           Product: kxkb
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: Debian testing
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: wishlist
          Priority: NOR
         Component: general
        AssignedTo: rysin kde org
        ReportedBy: radnev yahoo com


Version:           All version since 3.0 (using KDE KDE 3.4.0)
Installed from:    Debian testing/unstable Packages
OS:                Linux

Hi,

I posted this a couple of months ago to KDE usability list. Now I post it here as \
wish.

I have some feature request or usability improvements. They are related only to one \
area - Keyboard Layout (switching between different keyboard layouts).

Switching between different keyboard layouts is extremely essential feature for non \
Latin users. My native language uses Cyrillic. I will explain.

You are going to write a letter. You have to write e-mail address in Latin, but \
letter itself in Cyrillic.

You are going to write web page. You have to write HTML tags in Latin, but content in \
Cyrillic.

You are going to write program for local users only. You have to write Source code in \
Latin, but messages and dialogs in Cyrillic.

So you have to switch between different keyboard layouts extremely often. So it has \
to be very easy and comfortable.

I guess users that use other non Latin script have similar problems. But I will \
comment only Cyrillic as I have experience only with it.


Here are one of the most asked question about KDE in Bulgarian forums. Also it is \
often asked in Russian forums (as far as I see).

Q: How can I switch to Cyrillic?
A: Alt+Ctrl+K

Q: How can I change it?
A: Go to Control Center / Regionall && Accessibility / Keyboard Shortcuts / Shortcut \
Schemes / Global Shortcuts. Then scroll to the end. It is the last position.

Q: Damn. Why I cannot select Ctrl+Shift or Alt+Shift?
A: I don't know. Write a feature request to KDE Developers.

Q: Why Copy and Paste (Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V) doesn't work when I am in Bulgarian layout?
A: Open configuration dialog. Select Bulgarian layout. In the right down corner there \
is a checkbox "Include latin layout". Make sure that it is checked on.


What does this dialog show?

1. Most beginners find out how to add another keyboard layout.
2. Most beginners cannot find out a shortcut. Neither how to find it, nor how to \
change it. 3. Most beginners are not happy that cannot select Ctrl+Shift or \
Alt+Shift. 4. Most beginners cannot find out (understand) option "Include latin \
layout".


Here are a list of suggestions. They are based on KDE 3.3.

1. Configuration Dialog should contain way to change shortcut. Every program has menu \
item "Configure Shortcuts...", but Keyboard layout dialog has not. Logical place is \
the tab "Switching Options". There is enough place at the bottom to place widget to \
change shortcut.

2. Ctrl+Shift and Alt+Shift should be allowed. May be only for Keyboard layout, not \
for other shortcuts. I don't know what is a reason to block these combinations. They \
were included in KDE 2.x. May be there are a serious reason behind blocking, but all \
users that use Cyrillic, use one of these combinations to switch since DOS, then Win \
3.x, then Win 9x and now Win XP. It is very difficult to explain to users that move \
from Win to Linux that they cannot use Ctrl+Shift or Alt+Shift for switching between \
keyboard layouts. Another idea is to have predefined list of shortcuts. So users can \
select from it. If his/her combination is missing from the list then he/she can use \
normal widget to select a shortcut.

3. Redesign of dialog in the first tab "Layout". There is no other place where \
similar dialogs exist in KDE. My suggestion is to make it similar to other dialogs in \
KDE. So there should be only one list - Active Layouts and 5 buttons, placed on the \
right - Add, Edit, Remove, Move Up, Move Down. And that's all. When use press Add (or \
Edit) then another dialog will pop up, where user can select new layout to add. It \
will contain one combox (drop down list), list of variants (disabled if not \
applicable), checkbox "Include latin layout" and editbox "Command". Such kind of \
dialog is more natural and consistent with other dialogs found in KDE. Beginners will \
find out more easy what to do.

4. List of Active Layouts should allow to exist one layout with different variants. \
For example Russian layout has 4 variants. Bulgarian has 2 variants and they are \
quite different. Usually one user uses only one variant. So it is OK, but in public \
terminals - schools, libraries, etc. where only anonymous login is allowed, different \
users may want to use different variants. And in this case it will be very nice \
feature to have listed one layout with couple of variants. So everybody will use \
whatever he/she prefer. For example dialog should list Keyboard layouts "Bulgarian \
(bds)" and "Bulgarian (phonetic)" as two different items. So far it is not possible \
to be done, because Bulgarian Keyboard layout disappears from list once it is moved \
from Available to Active. 


I think all non Latin users will benefit from these suggestions.



Best regards,
Radostin Radnev


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