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List:       kde-bugs-dist
Subject:    [Bug 71220] file|properties|permissions tab advanced should be
From:       Nathaniel Taylor <hvdc () onetel ! net ! uk>
Date:       2003-12-31 21:35:24
Message-ID: 20031231213524.9086.qmail () ktown ! kde ! org
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------- Additional Comments From hvdc@onetel.net.uk  2003-12-31 22:35 \
------- I agree absolutely that:

	the original method, as used in Nautilus too, of showing the full 4 octal \
digits in a convenient grid form is by far the most simple, useable and \
elegant format;  please do revert!

	"Advanced" is used in various desktop environments, occaisionally being \
true (advanced stuff) and useful (hides large amounts of in-the-way \
options), but often being a nuisance and a misnomer

Let us consider the two broad categories of user: moderately familiar unix \
user and fresher from other desktop environment.    To the unix user, the \
current (kde3.2-beta2) system is annoying and time-wasting. Such a user has \
a clear idea of what permissions are wanted and can click them into a grid \
quickly.  Anything involving special bits, or files/directories with \
execture but not read permission, etc. has to be done in "Advanced"  To the \
novice, the new method may be a little easier initially, but there are two \
reasons why this doesn't matter!   i) A "Help" tab and use of full words \
(owner, group, read, etc) would allow this user to use the grid and \
eventually to have the same speed as the experienced users, with full \
control of all permissions ii) KDE users who cannot cope with simple things \
like logical permissions are very unlikely to use other than a packaged kde \
supplied with some OS distro.  Distributors aiming at such users can make \
"simplifying" changes themselves if needed, and there should not be a need \
for default KDE to be dumbed down to the point of slowing and annoying the \
many experienced users who are likely to compile it or download rpms.


As brief points in favour of the grid interface over drop-down menus, 
a) crossed boxes form a pattern whose meaning will soon be recognisable to \
a user at a glance, rather than the wordy menus that need more attention b) \
all options are immediately there; special bits, x-only, user can't write, \
others can (!), etc. c) corresponds to the underlying OS in a direct, \
easily understood form


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