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Subject:    [Bug 58031] Add Frame / FrameSet name to "Frame/Frameset" dialog
From:       David Faure <faure () kde ! org>
Date:       2003-05-02 22:38:54
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------- Additional Comments From faure@kde.org  2003-05-03 00:38 -------
Subject: Re:  Add Frame / FrameSet name to "Frame/Frameset" dialog

On Saturday 03 May 2003 00:26, you wrote:
> I was expecting the very first thing at the top of the very first tab to be 
> the place where I change the selected framesets name.  So I guess
> that would be the top of the options Tab.
> 
> But as another bug report points out the only currently nameable framesets
> are Text Framesets, and even then "Text Frameset 1" does not seem renameable.
> As such it seems that there should be a "General" tab where features that all 
> framesets share should go.  Regardless it's the kind of thing that I 
> definitely think should at the top of the first tab you see when you go edit 
> the options.

Right. The first tab, "Options" currently, could be that one. It exists for pictures
and formulas too, so the name could be moved there.

> Well I'd want to name my frames based on their content. 
Exactly - on the content (which the frameset), not on their layout (the frames).

> Similar if I had a picture of a dog 
> inserted into my document I'd want the frame name to reflect the filename or 
> picture title (assuming it had ID tags).  

Each picture is a frameset, so no problem there. Naming the frameset will be enough.

> I'd want to name individual tables based on what they displayed.

Same there, a table is a frameset
(actually every cell is also a frameset, since it contains an independent
set of text, but usually cells are auto-named after the table's name)

> KWord currently doesn't seem to support Framesets within Framesets 
It definitely does. Try inserting an inline text frame inside a text frame.

> which was 
> something I was going to work down the road to add an "Outline View" to the 
> Document Structure column.  In Outline View it would basically be a Table of 
> Contents.  You'd see the title of the document at the top, then the main 
> sections might be "Copyright", "Dedication", "Preface", "TOC", "Foreword", 
> "Chapters", "Appendices", "Index".  The various sections would show their 
> actual titles instead of "Chapter/Appendix N".  As you opened up each section 
> you'd see the individual content sections and the various frames that 
> combined to make up that section.  You'd see "figures" and "charts" and 
> "sections" and even "paragraphs".

I think you're mixing frames and sections a bit. If this is all the main text,
then it's unrelated to frames, it's simply about showing the sections of
the document (a feature that KWord doesn't have yet), or about showing
the "HEAD 1" headers (which the doc structure tree does).
If the above was done with frames, the automatic layouting of those frames
would be quite difficult (this reminds me of the endnotes layouting nightmares...)

> I believe that all this implies a level of context that KWord currently 
> doesn't have, but when making documents like books and contracts breaking it 
> up into itemized sections is very typical and it seems to me could be made 
> very intuitive with KWord's frames based approach.
Hmm. To be refined I think. Anyway we're going far away from #58031's topic :)
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