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List:       kde-bugs-dist
Subject:    [Bug 53682] usability: toolbar layout and buttons
From:       William Leese <yatsu () wanadoo ! nl>
Date:       2003-02-01 15:21:50
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------- Additional Comments From yatsu@wanadoo.nl  2003-02-01 16:21 -------
Subject: Re:  usability: toolbar layout and buttons

Neil Stevens wrote:
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> ------- Additional Comments From neil@qualityassistant.com  2003-02-01 12:14 -------
> Subject: Re:  usability: toolbar layout and buttons
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>>>>>And kaboodle is not just a movie player.
>>>>
>>>>"No media/file opened."? :)
>>>
>>>Doesn't that just state the obvious though?
>>
>>Ofcourse. But how are users to understand the empty space at the bottom
>>of the window is a statusbar? Any application that I'm aware of has a
>>default string displayed such as the above when action has yet to be
>>taken. xmms, mplayer, totem, konqueror, kget, mozilla, kmail....
> 
> It's up to the widget style to make the status bar's existance clear.  
> Other apps like Konqueror don't display redundant clutter in the status 
> bar.  They only print a status when there is a status to print, like a 
> file having been loaded.

When I open konqueror (something I never do, so i haven't altered the 
defaults :) I see in the statusbar: 0 Items - 0 Files - 0 Directories. A 
second later I see the correct results displayed.

When opening the konqueror using the webbrowser profile we actually see 
no status bar at all. Fair enough. But there's a different here: there's 
nothing magically hovering right above the invisible statusbar so it 
doesn't draw the user's attention.

>>As it is currently unpractical to modify the video toolbar could you
>>place the 'hide menubar' to the far right of the toolbar? Far from ideal
>>  ofcourse, but it should be moved away from the navigational controls.
> 
> Sure.  Hey, see?  Two requests done already, and I suspect a compromise 
> with the slider widget/label combo is approaching. :-)

Sounds good :)

One major concern still remains the quit button though. As I pointed out 
that even when the menubar is hidden, one can easily close kaboodle by 
conventional means (the X in the window/title-bar). For anyone not using 
the hide menubar feature it's a very destructive button and can easily 
be clicked on by mistake. If someone chooses to use an unconventional UI 
feature (hide menubar) then they wouldn't shun using unconventional 
means to close kaboodle (eventhough the close button on the titlebar 
cant really be called unconventional).

- wvl
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