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From: Dimitar Dobrev <dpldobrev () yahoo ! com>
Date: 2013-07-12 12:41:50
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Hello, Ruth,
Glad to hear from you again. I am sorry Qyoto didn't work out for you but I do \
agree SWIG would be a better solution, with better performance indeed. I'll try to \
find free time to work on it as soon as possible. However,I cannot make any promise \
yet.
Best regards,
Dimitar
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From: Ruth Ivimey-Cook <ruth@ivimey.org>
To: kde-bindings@kde.org
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Kde-bindings] Qt & SWIG
Dimitar and others,
I evaluated using Qyoto for a project I'm working on and - with
regret for all the hard work Dimitar had obviously put in -
decided against it, both because it was buggy and because it was
very slow. When I investigated the speed issue SMOKE relies on
textual matching of function signatures to call functions.
Admittedly the hashes, once matched, are hashed and cached, but
still... It also involved at least 2 transitions from managed to
unmanaged code, which IIRC are expensive in themselves.
People I know have used SWIG to good effect but I have no personal
experience.
A statically linked shim file (not a DLL, if possible) - i.e. a
set of functions coded in managed code that each make an unmanaged
call to the "real" function would be the way I would expect.
Coding this by hand would be painful, so a program to generate
them is the obvious response. I believe this is the SWIG way.
If it were possible I would look into using something like an XML
file containing the interface definition, maybe itself initially
generated from the .h files, and which can then be adapted and
enhanced to improve it. If the Qt and/or SWIG community were
receptive this might become something people would support
generally - e.g. including PyQt et al. - which would benefit
everyone.
HTH
Ruth
Dimitar Dobrev wrote:
> Dylan,
>
> Thank you for your suggestion. I know about CXXI but it wouldn't be my choice for \
> the following reasons: 1. It is both incomplete and abandoned;
> 2. It relies on Reflection.Emit which is not supported on iOS; Qt will soon \
> officially run on iOS and it'd be nice if the bindingsworked on that platform too.
> Regards,
> Dimitar
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Moonfire, D." <d.moonfire@mfgames.com>
> To: KDE bindings for other programming languages <kde-bindings@kde.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Kde-bindings] Qt & SWIG
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Gour <gour@atmarama.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 06:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
> > Dimitar Dobrev <dpldobrev@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 3. I don't want to have anything to do with
SMOKE any more so if you'd
> > > like to take this path, you'd be on your own.
> >
> > Isn't it pity that there is no more interest in
having Qt bindings for
> > the .NET/Mono? :-(
> >
> There was an announcement some years back on one of the
Mono blogs about an interop layer for C++ \
(https://github.com/mono/cxxi). It was never mentioned again and I think a grue ate \
it, but it looked like a really nice set of libraries if someone maintained it beyond \
the initial proof of concept. I also don't know how tightly it is tied to Mono itself \
and if a cross-platform version could be done with it.
>
> Looking at the code, they were also using Qt as the
example in their POC.
>
> - Dylan
>
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class="tab"> Hello, Ruth,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, \
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font-style: normal;"><span class="tab"> Glad to hear from you \
again. I am sorry Qyoto didn't work out for you but I do agree SWIG would be a better \
</span><span class="tab">solution, with better performance indeed. I'll try to find \
free time to work on it as soon as possible. However, I cannot make any promise \
yet.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times \
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normal;"><br><span class="tab"></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
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transparent; font-style: normal;"><span class="tab"> Best \
regards,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: \
times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: \
normal;"><span class="tab"> Dimitar</span><span \
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<font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> \
Ruth Ivimey-Cook <ruth@ivimey.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: \
bold;">To:</span></b> kde-bindings@kde.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: \
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 12, 2013 2:41 PM<br> <b><span \
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<div class="yiv4563507648moz-cite-prefix">Dimitar and others,<br>
<br>
I evaluated using Qyoto for a project I'm working on and - with
regret for all the hard work Dimitar had obviously put in -
decided against it, both because it was buggy and because it was
very slow. When I investigated the speed issue SMOKE relies on
textual matching of function signatures to call functions.
Admittedly the hashes, once matched, are hashed and cached, but
still... It also involved at least 2 transitions from managed to
unmanaged code, which IIRC are expensive in themselves. <br>
<br>
People I know have used SWIG to good effect but I have no personal
experience.<br>
<br>
A statically linked shim file (not a DLL, if possible) - i.e. a
set of functions coded in managed code that each make an unmanaged
call to the "real" function would be the way I would expect.
Coding this by hand would be painful, so a program to generate
them is the obvious response. I believe this is the SWIG way.<br>
<br>
If it were possible I would look into using something like an XML
file containing the interface definition, maybe itself initially
generated from the .h files, and which can then be adapted and
enhanced to improve it. If the Qt and/or SWIG community were
receptive this might become something people would support
generally - e.g. including PyQt et al. - which would benefit
everyone.<br>
<br>
HTH<br>
Ruth<br>
<br>
<br>
Dimitar Dobrev wrote:<br>
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york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><span class="yiv4563507648tab"> \
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</span><span class="yiv4563507648tab"> Dylan,<br>
<br>
</span><span class="yiv4563507648tab"> </span><span \
class="yiv4563507648tab">Thank you for your suggestion. </span>I know about CXXI but \
it wouldn't be my choice for the following reasons:<br>
<span class="yiv4563507648tab"> 1. It is both incomplete \
and abandoned;</span><span class="yiv4563507648tab"><br>
</span><span class="yiv4563507648tab"> 2. It relies on \
Reflection.Emit which is not supported on iOS; Qt will soon officially run on
iOS and it'd be nice if the bindings</span><span class="yiv4563507648tab">
worked on that platform too.<br>
<br>
</span><span class="yiv4563507648tab"> Regards,<br>
</span><span class="yiv4563507648tab"> Dimitar</span><span \
class="yiv4563507648tab"> </span>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span \
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Moonfire, D." <a rel="nofollow" \
class="yiv4563507648moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:d.moonfire@mfgames.com" \
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> KDE
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Re: [Kde-bindings] Qt & SWIG<br>
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<div class="yiv4563507648gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 11,
2013 at 10:25 AM, Gour <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" \
ymailto="mailto:gour@atmarama.net" target="_blank" \
href="mailto:gour@atmarama.net">gour@atmarama.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv4563507648gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 06:31:43 \
-0700 (PDT)<br> Dimitar Dobrev <<a rel="nofollow" \
ymailto="mailto:dpldobrev@yahoo.com" target="_blank" \
href="mailto:dpldobrev@yahoo.com">dpldobrev@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> 3. I don't want to have anything to do with
SMOKE any more so if you'd<br>
> like to take this path, you'd be on your own.<br>
<br>
Isn't it pity that there is no more interest in
having Qt bindings for<br>
the .NET/Mono? :-(<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
There was an announcement some years back on one of the
Mono blogs about an interop layer for C++ (<a rel="nofollow" \
target="_blank" href="https://github.com/mono/cxxi">https://github.com/mono/cxxi</a>).
It was never mentioned again and I think a grue ate it,
but it looked like a really nice set of libraries if
someone maintained it beyond the initial proof of
concept. I also don't know how tightly it is tied to
Mono itself and if a cross-platform version could be
done with it.<br>
<br>
Looking at the code, they were also using Qt as the
example in their POC.<br>
<br>
- Dylan<br>
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