This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040906040804010304080203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kenneth Wimer wrote: > Neutral, un-themed, generic, no-style etc. do not exist...it is a myth and > anyone who has done real artwork would know that. I am sorry to put it that > way and mean no harm or bad feelings but the truth is the truth. > I think that we are having a semantics problem. While it is true that the Gnome, Tango, and KDEClassic themes are totally neutral, un-themed, generic, no-style, and etc. (what ever) -- they have to have some style otherwise they would look identical, it is also true that some other icon themes have a much stronger thematic aspect than these. I suppose that even the icons I made with the intention of their being totally unthemed have some theme aspects [see attached 1, 2, & 3]. In this case, I did choose a color for the shading to match KDEClassic. But, is that a theme? Just to remind you, my concern about icon style is not one of taste but rather of usability. This was a large issue with CrystalSVG. It is much less of an issue with most Oxygen icons except that some of them seem to have some of the same problems (e.g. lack of tonal range, high average brightness). I suppose that even the icons I made after that which do not include shading to match KDEClassic still have some style [see attached 4, 5, & 6] IAC, the point which the spec should probably make is that icons in HiColor should be *more* neutral. Which would be more correct if there is no 100% neutral. I also note that I consider some of the other points in the posing much more important than the fine distinction between very little (less) style and no style. -- JRT --------------040906040804010304080203 Content-Type: image/png; name="view_fit_height.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="view_fit_height.png" iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACIAAAAiCAYAAAA6RwvCAAAACXBIWXMAAAsTAAALEwEAmpwY AAADJUlEQVRYhcWXwWsUSRSHvx6mQUchCQtrlHjxZljY5JKwiHevgRwUPHkQL14868mL18W7 ksPC/gvLLvs/eJg9BgZi9BAhLWKSSdf7eaiqdNdM95jVmfHBMFXVVfW++r1XRVUGz8UPtWc/ Ax+6ANLT0KiGH4BNaIvltvFN8/lylr0C+A34t1uRNU02CYJa/TwQ0LwILgLL3XqH358/wWSY CTNwZkjCpNAWy4YzIRMmw0nIwIW61b8ZYaxhEtdWrrL6yxpbW7cjSAZQA/EDb925zzTt+PiY k5MTisND9t7ucXBwwGDwnsePXwA3zvqlIOaV2djYmBqIJIbDIR8/Frx7955+v8/u7i7r6+u8 fl2c9es0gUzb8jzn0qXLLC8vc31lhaIo2NzcTPqMgNj4LFOwTqdDr9djaWmJm6urFEUxpvpc FImW5zkLCwsURTH2LQXR7M+2brfL0dERg8GgHcTNKDRNtr+/3wbCzEMTTRLb29ttIDY3kJ2d Hf75+6+kLTlZZ7Frsiwba1tcXGQ4HCZtnao4n2QFKMuSPM+Ttpoisw2NmSFzIIdcyYU8VSoJ zSx2jWQVRA1E7rQNZLoHmmRY6ZAMqKkhkcnodtL+0weRMOeQeQjJhZ+BhXq4XrSD6PtCY67E rPROzJCVgDxQUMSMoIybAPINikhCZgHAQFU+eGcBxEV19DWQ/3eyCjyAK71j3AiIhdBYCEUt V+wripxn11jNAXE3YKn8Z98CmEYg4/g2kEmKKCah/MU3XVm6cplVOSIhPAzmKrWYBNJwsipc mCrHEaRM5a8pIgvJqpFkdT5HvEJlEwg03dAigF9NdBid+TaTKvlroYihES79Njk0FhynishK fwrWByueD363RNBEkQjnWkKj1tB4mAjiTk+9pO7Uw8QtZz4RVQ+NVdtRhFW7pu1bQZ4p25Yj xacjHj18MJYns7O7oyA+Af/48yVv3vTZ29sPR3D6Vh0vQ5ZRi/ekMaP/4t69ap5aaKDXu8Da 2ipXrvxUm6j5AT3Z6XnevgD/pSDhVf6jTOAfwJeBX4GVUJ83xGegn+GvixeBq3OGiOaA4y+H MJGynW4sDwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== --------------040906040804010304080203 Content-Type: image/png; 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