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List:       kde-artists
Subject:    Re: [kde-artists] Bug 163311
From:       James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj () acm ! org>
Date:       2008-06-29 0:34:59
Message-ID: 4866D8B3.3080508 () acm ! org
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Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> On Sunday 29 June 2008 00:35:47 James Richard Tyrer wrote:
>> pinheiro wrote:
>>> A Saturday 28 June 2008 22:59:02, James Richard Tyrer escreveu:
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>>> Please don't take offense at it, do something about it.  If there wasn't
>>>> truth to it, I wouldn't say it.  We have "jpetso" and "pinheiro" being
>>>> rather clear that they don't want help, yet the work doesn't get done.
>>>> This is a syndrome that, unfortunately, exists in volunteer
>>>> organizations.
>>> I do want help just not yours.
>>> your help is not needed here thanks.
>> QED
> 
> Let's put it this way, you've tried my patience again and again but I am 
> pretty much a jerk myself and I know how to take what I can dish it out BUT 
> in community matters I (try as much as possible) to stay out of such issues 
> in order not to piss everyone off.

I don't see it that way.  There shouldn't be an issue of dishing it out 
or taking it as long as the discussion remains focused on the work.

This is something that you must learn as an engineer that criticism of 
your work is not personal criticism.  Part of this is being sure that 
you criticize the work and not the person.

Unfortunately, I have run into many people that do not make this very 
important distinction.  So, if you tell them what you think needs 
improving in their work, they take it as a personal insult.  We are 
never going to get anywhere with that mindset.

I spent many evenings while a junior in college waiting for a printout 
and telling freshman programmers exactly what was wrong with their 
program.  None of them took it as an insult because that is exactly the 
help that they needed.

So, "pinheiro" doesn't want my help with artwork.  And the Oxygen group 
needs some technical help.  It is impossible to work with "jpetso". 
Every issue I found while working on the renaming of the old icons and 
bring up, he argues against my ideas but there is no resolution of any 
of the issues -- odd how nothing was done till I brought the issues up. 
  So, I have given up on the renaming of the old icons.  It is clear 
that there is a "Help NOT Wanted" sign here and it doesn't just apply to 
me.  So, I guess I will give up on artwork.

-- 
JRT
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