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Subject:    Re: [kde-artists] OpenDocument MIME icons
From:       jos poortvliet <jos () mijnkamer ! nl>
Date:       2007-05-20 13:13:43
Message-ID: 200705201513.43406.jos () mijnkamer ! nl
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Op Sunday 20 May 2007, schreef James Richard Tyrer:
> jos poortvliet wrote:
> > Op Friday 18 May 2007, schreef James Richard Tyrer:
> >> So, I reworked the icon: "application-vnd.oasis.opendocument.text"
> >> using what I feel are proper design methods.
> >>
> >> I attach PNG renderings of it.  Please compare to the current PNG
> >> Oxygen icons in the same sizes.
> >
> > Sure yours are much clearer at larger size, but for the smaller ones,
> > the oxygen icons aren't bad at all (eg compare the 32 vs 32, the
> > Oxygen might even be better). And I think for the large one, it
> > doesn't matter if it's very clear or not - it's big enough anyway.
>
> Are we comparing the same icons?  See attached, my test icons are on the
> left; 48x48 on the top and 32x32 on the bottom.  The issue here is
> mostly contrast.  I note that this is not my final icon, from my test
> PNGs, I can see some things that can be improved.  I also think that the
> 32x32 might need hand optimization.
>
> > Can you explain what the differences are?
>
> I used an extra bold font.  I used Arial Black, but I find that this
> isn't the best choice since it increased the size of the SVG because the
> font has more detail which has no effect on the final PNGs.  A simpler
> extra bold font would have the same result.
>
> I didn't leave extra white space to achieve right justification; I
> compressed or expanded the lines of text slightly.
>
> The bottom of each line of text was aligned to 4 pixel boundary in the
> 128x128 SVG.  This increases the contrast (more higher spatial frequency
> content) in the vertical direction in the text blocks.
>
> > And probably make a 16x16, or would that have to be hand-tuned
> > anyway, like the Oxygen one?
>
> This SVG won't scale to 16x16 and 22x22 and the PNGs will probably need
> to be hand optimized.  But that is normal.

I was comparing your icons with the ones david calls the optimized versions. 
According to his mail from Tuesday 13:45:06, you are comparing placeholders 
with your own icons, not the optimized ones.

I like your work, sure do - the smaller icons are definitely better. But you 
should compare them to the new ones David send, not to the placeholders, 
imho.

And please don't send these mails to the Koffice-devel mailinglist, it is 
off-topic there. It's for developers discussions, not artwork.

grtz

-- 
Disclaimer:

Alles wat ik doe denk en zeg is gebaseerd op het wereldbeeld wat ik nu heb. 
Ik ben niet verantwoordelijk voor wijzigingen van de wereld, of het beeld wat 
ik daarvan heb, noch voor de daaruit voortvloeiende gedragingen van mezelf. 
Alles wat ik zeg is aardig bedoeld, tenzij expliciet vermeld.

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

   A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation
   Q: Why is top-posting bad?

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