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List:       kde-artists
Subject:    Re: [kde-artists] Request: CSV icons
From:       pinheiro <nuno () oxygen-icons ! org>
Date:       2007-05-07 18:55:48
Message-ID: 200705071955.48580.nuno () oxygen-icons ! org
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A Monday 07 May 2007 18:59:45, Jaroslaw Staniek escreveu:
> pinheiro said the following, On 2007-05-07 09:37:
> >> 1. Pinheiro, I think JRT's icon is a good 1st step, except the font
> >> (that could stay as it is or be changed to anything is Oxygen's default,
> >> e.g. like in 'java' icon). Regarding <<"a," is a very bad way to do a
> >> mime >> : just tell what is your experience or vision re the CSV mime
> >> type.
> >
> > Jaroslaw as i told you a, is not the best mime type imo couse it reflects
>
> the content of the mime and not its actual usage, if possible i think that
> the mimes should refelect the usage they have rader than the content, this
> as many other things has icon goes is not a exact science, some times
> mimetypes are based on the actual "code content" they have couse of
> historical resons or couse its sooo obvius.
>
> > im not sure this is the case im no exprience with using such a file, an
> > it
>
> was based on thet that i said that "a," is not a god idea, couse i had
> litle idea what it ment, and the ideas that poped out in my head were about
> pause (purly random stupid thoughti know). if possible i would like to try
> to do some visulal representation of what the user gets if he double press
> the icon and open it on the defoult program for it.
>
> Nuno,
> For me it is a little bit too hard to follow your tough here.
> 1. You admit you do not know CSV at all, so chances are any metaphor for
> CSV would be unfamiliar to you. If I am wrong, see 3. below.
>
> 2. 99.9% users that know what CSV and use it on other OSes already _have_
> "a," icon installed on the OS.
its a good point 
>
> 3. You did not provide alternatives. The current "text-like" icons is
> inferior to the proposal. Do you agree here? 
we did not did those translations they were automaticly made in the naming 
transitional fase.
> It refers to far lower-level 
> content, what is against your rule you described about about not reflecting
> the content but meaning. "a," is about meaning to a large extent.
> If you like comparisons, take a look at Oxygen's music-related mimetypes:
> they all use green "note" metaphor, i.e. a music symbol (for notation),
> just like "a," is a symbol of comma-separation.
> If you have no alternatives, I'd like to propose assumming most of use
> agree "a," is best metaphor we can have now and we cam move on to other
> tasks. Thanks!

>
> Regarding "double pressing the icon and opening it on the default program
> for it" - note that CSV is not an app's mimetype but rather an exchange
> format just like a dump of a clipboard contents (it's very often the case)
> or like an exported portion of a spreadsheet. Therefore default application
> would be a spreadsheet if an office suite is installed.
>
> Visual representation therefore is tabular, as I said before.
> Feel free to meet me on #koffice or #kde-artists to get more info.

will be there now :P

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