From kde-artists Tue Jun 25 09:09:52 2002 From: ante Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:09:52 +0000 To: kde-artists Subject: Re: K-ARTIST:kdelook???? X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-artists&m=102499617512904 On Monday 24 June 2002 23:41, Joerg Gastner wrote: > well, I guess everyone who uploaded there has experienced some form or > other of manipulation. The worst form being a fresh upload which gets > voted down so quickly beneath the magic 30% border that few people actually > see the upload. Which is sad, since some people are being discouraged to > upload any other content. :( Yes, it is bad. Once I uploaded something, and a few minutes later I took a look. It was already gone... I misused the system myself a bit, brought the score back to 50 % by logging in a few times. It is stupid, if the first 2-3 votes are negative, you're out. IMHO, an artist can defend his work the first few hours, keep the score to 50 %. IIRC, you can always find your own submission by number and by following your name. > > There obviously are people who have taken the trouble to write scripts (for > x = 100; connect; vote bad; disconnect; next; (or something like that)) > because some content has completely vanished. Everaldos mail seems to > target an example of this "mass-voting". > > > Unfotunatelly, the > > maintainers of kde-look. org know that, and they don't do anything to > > prevent it. > > What would be the alternative? Require to login before voting? Who would > take the trouble to login? I can't think of any easy solution to this > problem. The script kiddies are worse. Of course it is possible to take measures, but the don't give a F at KDE-look. There was a discussion piece once at KDE-look, someone bragged that he already had many accounts, so, requiring to log in first wouldn't help in his case. > > > Every time you connect to internet if you have dynamic IP (which most of > > the users have) you will be allowed to vote again. > > Yes, right. But I'm more worried about the people with an industrial > attitude (the people with scripts). Because they can make content > disappear in moments after the uploads. New content can disappear after 2-3 votes... That is not done by scripts. >Content which is lost to the > community. Because once your score drops below 20%, all you can do is > delete it. Nobody is able to see it, nobody can comment, new contributors > are discouraged, pissed off, stopped dead in their tracks. Which > constitues a loss to the community. > > The only way out of this (imho) is to let people see the content > 0%. At > the moment it is limited to scores > 20%. I myself have deleted content > that dropped below 20%. I felt frustrated because some weirdo had ditched > me 1 hour after I uploaded. > > Everyone is welcome to check the IDs of the uploads (e.g. > ...php?content=XXXX&PHP... (XXXX being the ID)) and find the gaps. Of > course there are gaps which are due to updates (content keeps its original > ID after updates) but it is still a significant loss that is displayed. I > feel sad for all the people who have uploaded content and have been > discarded this way. And what is more: This is a form of censorship. And > to get real paranoid: What if a major company payed somebody to vote bad > on good content? I feel bad about the 20% border... > > > But, what pisses me off on that site is not only that some people > > manipulate with votes but also that some 'artist' 'update' their > > 'artwork' only to be present on the opening site of kde-look.org (and > > they haven't updated their 'artwork' at all). So every time users open > > kde-look.org they can see an icon theme although that theme hasn't been > > updated at all. > > You are right about that one. That pisses me off too. "Virtual Updates" > or whatever you may call it. The best answer to that would be bad comments > about this behaviour... > > Cheers, > > Soyburg > _______________________________________________ > kde-artists mailing list > kde-artists@mail.kde.org > http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists -- Cordialemente, Ante ****** http://home.uwnet.nl/~vita _______________________________________________ kde-artists mailing list kde-artists@mail.kde.org http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists