Am Montag, 24. Juni 2002 09:29 schrieb antialias:

> Voting on kde-look is manipulated, didn't you know that?=20

Hi list,

well, I guess everyone who uploaded there has experienced some form or ot=
her=20
of manipulation.  The worst form being a fresh upload which gets voted do=
wn=20
so quickly beneath the magic 30% border that few people actually see the=20
upload.  Which is sad, since some people are being discouraged to upload =
any=20
other content.  :(

There obviously are people who have taken the trouble to write scripts (f=
or x=20
=3D 100; connect; vote bad; disconnect; next; (or something like that)) b=
ecause=20
some content has completely vanished.  Everaldos mail seems to target an=20
example of this "mass-voting".

> Unfotunatelly, the
> maintainers of kde-look. org know that, and they don't do anything to
> prevent it.=20

What would be the alternative?  Require to login before voting?  Who woul=
d=20
take the trouble to login?  I can't think of any easy solution to this=20
problem.

> Every time you connect to internet  if you have dynamic IP (which most =
of
> the users have) you will be allowed to vote again.

Yes, right.  But I'm more worried about the people with an industrial att=
itude=20
(the people with scripts).  Because they can make content disappear in=20
moments after the uploads.  Content which is lost to the community.  Beca=
use=20
once your score drops below 20%, all you can do is delete it.  Nobody is =
able=20
to see it, nobody can comment, new contributors are discouraged, pissed o=
ff,=20
stopped dead in their tracks.  Which constitues a loss to the community.

The only way out of this (imho) is to let people see the content > 0%.  A=
t the=20
moment it is limited to scores > 20%.  I myself have deleted content that=
=20
dropped below 20%.  I felt frustrated because some weirdo had ditched me =
1=20
hour after I uploaded. =20

Everyone is welcome to check the IDs of the uploads (e.g.=20
=2E..php?content=3DXXXX&PHP... (XXXX being the ID)) and find the gaps.  O=
f course=20
there are gaps which are due to updates (content keeps its original ID af=
ter=20
updates) but it is still a significant loss that is displayed.  I feel sa=
d=20
for all the people who have uploaded content and have been discarded this=
=20
way.  And what is more:  This is a form of censorship.  And to get real=20
paranoid:  What if a major company payed somebody to vote bad on good=20
content?  I feel bad about the 20% border...

> But, what pisses me off on that site is not only that some people
> manipulate with votes but also that some 'artist' 'update' their 'artwo=
rk'
> only to be present on the opening site of kde-look.org (and they haven'=
t
> updated their 'artwork' at all). So every time users open kde-look.org =
they
> can see an icon theme although that theme hasn't been updated at all.

You are right about that one.  That pisses me off too.  "Virtual Updates"=
 or=20
whatever you may call it.  The best answer to that would be bad comments=20
about this behaviour...

Cheers,

Soyburg
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