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Subject: Re: Some user feedback (mostly about the PA browser)
From: "Lamarque V. Souza" <Lamarque.Souza.ext () basyskom ! com>
Date: 2012-04-20 12:14:12
Message-ID: 201204200914.12470.Lamarque.Souza.ext () basyskom ! com
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Em Friday 20 April 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer escreveu:
> > Maybe this is a problem with kded's networkstatus module not working with
> > connman. Most KDE programs treats Solid::Networking::status() ==
> > Solid::Networking::Unknown as Solid::Networking::Connected (online),
> > which is what happens with connman. But if the system is really offline
> > then the program must recover by itself since there will be no
> > statusChanged(Connected) signal. By what I could see in the rss
> > dataengine it only fetches data if the statusChanged(Connected or
> > Unknown) signal is received or when data source is requested.
> >
> > If we compile kde-runtime against QtNtrack then networkstatus should work
> > with any network management software. But NTrack has a history of
> > causing problems in kded (Ntrack 0.14 causes 100% CPU problems, Ntrack
> > 0.16 force networkstatus to offline mode). Well, Ntrack 0.15 is also not
> > perfect but seems to work. networkstatus includes a backend for
> > NetworkManager and Wicd, so if we change to NM if will not need Ntrack.
>
> Wait, why should we start implementing workarounds for conman? I thought
> the plan was to use networkmanager in the long run? We have found that
> conman sucks with Plasma Active, and it will always do so. So I don't
> think we should invest any more time in it.
QtNtrack is not a workaround, it has been supported by networkstatus for
years. If it worked without problems we could even remove the NetworkManager
and Wicd backends from networkstatus and stay only with QtNtrack.
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Lamarque V. Souza
http://www.basyskom.com/
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20 April 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer escreveu:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Maybe this is a problem with kded's \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > connman. Most KDE programs treats \
Solid::Networking::status() ==</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > Solid::Networking::Unknown as \
Solid::Networking::Connected (online),</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > which is what happens with connman. But \
if the system is really offline</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > then the program must recover by itself since there will \
be no</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
statusChanged(Connected) signal. By what I could see in the rss</p> <p style=" \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > dataengine it only \
fetches data if the statusChanged(Connected or</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > Unknown) signal is received or when \
data source is requested.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > If we compile kde-runtime against QtNtrack then \
networkstatus should work</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> > with any network management software. But NTrack has a \
history of</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
causing problems in kded (Ntrack 0.14 causes 100% CPU problems, Ntrack</p> <p style=" \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > 0.16 force \
networkstatus to offline mode). Well, Ntrack 0.15 is also not</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > perfect but seems \
to work. networkstatus includes a backend for</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > NetworkManager and Wicd, so if we \
change to NM if will not need Ntrack.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Wait, why should we start implementing \
workarounds for conman? I thought</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> the plan was to use networkmanager in the long run? We have \
found that</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> conman \
sucks with Plasma Active, and it will always do so. So I don't</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> think we should invest \
any more time in it.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
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margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"> QtNtrack is not a workaround, it has been supported by \
networkstatus for years. If it worked without problems we could even remove the \
NetworkManager and Wicd backends from networkstatus and stay only with QtNtrack.</p> \
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Lamarque V. Souza</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">http://www.basyskom.com/</p></body></html>
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