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Subject: Re: Updating Project:KDE:Trunk project on build.pub.meego.com
From: "Lamarque V. Souza" <Lamarque.Souza.ext () basyskom ! com>
Date: 2012-04-16 23:02:24
Message-ID: 201204162002.24565.Lamarque.Souza.ext () basyskom ! com
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Em Monday 16 April 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer escreveu:
> On Tuesday 03 April 2012 18:22:00 Maurice de la Ferte wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > at the moment we have a well tested and improved state of Plasma Active 2
> > in our 'Project:KDE:Trunk:Testing' project. We like to ship this state
> > into the 'Project:KDE:Trunk project' asap which is the package feed of
> > our MeeGo/Mer end-user like images. This state is represented by several
> > 'testing' marked images with '2012-03-27' timestamp prefix.
>
> Today, I put myself in an end-user position again:
> I installed the plasma active two stable meego image
> (basyskom-plasma-active- two-meego-usb-live.iso) and - without changing
> anything beforehand - ran zypper ref and zypper up (maybe that's not what
> an end-user is supposed to do, but it's possible and does not come with a
> warning, and I don't know of a safer way to update).
> This left my system in a pretty buggy state: The task switcher does not
> display thumbnails (i.e. it does not work), the top bar is black with a
> grey border and I could not add Berlin_Routes.pdf to an activity. This is
> not what I call "well tested and improved".
The problem with task switcher happens probably because the
~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc is configured with a different tabbox layout. The
one we use now is:
[TabBox]
LayoutName=window_strip
PA2 uses "LayoutName=thumbnails" in ~/kde/share/config/kwinrc, we need
to edit that file to fix this problem. I will see if we can use kconf_update
for that.
The other problem is still an open issue:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292820 . Today I've added a patch to
kdelibs that seems to workaround the problem (needs more testing).
> Maybe the code works if compiled as a testing image, but that's not the
> realistic use-case. What has to actually work is that an end-user who
> installed the latest stable image available (which currently is PA 2) can
> update her system in order to receive bug fixes.
> Maybe we can't get that in PA2 anymore, but this should definitely be our
> aim for PA3: If a user updates her "stable" system from the "stable"
> repositories, it has to have fewer bugs afterwards, not more.
> Sorry for the rant. I don't have a problem with a buggy system personally,
> but once we have actual end-users using and updating their devices and
> they get what I got today, they ain't gonna be happy.
We need more people testing the upgrade process and reporting bugs.
--
Lamarque V. Souza
http://www.basyskom.com/
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16 April 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer escreveu:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
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Hi all,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > at the moment we \
have a well tested and improved state of Plasma Active 2</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > in our \
'Project:KDE:Trunk:Testing' project. We like to ship this state</p> <p style=" \
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'Project:KDE:Trunk project' asap which is the package feed of</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > our MeeGo/Mer \
end-user like images. This state is represented by several</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> > 'testing' marked \
images with '2012-03-27' timestamp prefix.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Today, I put myself in an end-user position \
again:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> I \
installed the plasma active two stable meego image</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> (basyskom-plasma-active- \
two-meego-usb-live.iso) and - without changing</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> anything beforehand - ran zypper ref and \
zypper up (maybe that's not what</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> an end-user is supposed to do, but it's possible and does not \
come with a</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
warning, and I don't know of a safer way to update).</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> This left my system in a pretty buggy state: \
The task switcher does not</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> display thumbnails (i.e. it does not work), the top bar is \
black with a</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> grey \
border and I could not add Berlin_Routes.pdf to an activity. This is</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> not what I call \
"well tested and improved".</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> The problem with task switcher happens probably \
because the ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc is configured with a different tabbox layout. \
The one we use now is:</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">[TabBox]</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">LayoutName=window_strip</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> PA2 uses "LayoutName=thumbnails" in \
~/kde/share/config/kwinrc, we need to edit that file to fix this problem. I will see \
if we can use kconf_update for that.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> The other problem is still an open issue: \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292820 . Today I've added a patch to kdelibs \
that seems to workaround the problem (needs more testing).</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Maybe the code works if \
compiled as a testing image, but that's not the</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> realistic use-case. What has to actually \
work is that an end-user who</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> installed the latest stable image available (which currently \
is PA 2) can</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> update \
her system in order to receive bug fixes.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Maybe we can't get that in PA2 anymore, but \
this should definitely be our</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> aim for PA3: If a user updates her "stable" system \
from the "stable"</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> repositories, it has to have fewer bugs afterwards, not \
more.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> Sorry \
for the rant. I don't have a problem with a buggy system personally,</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> but once we have actual \
end-users using and updating their devices and</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> they get what I got today, they ain't gonna \
be happy.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> We need more people testing \
the upgrade process and reporting bugs.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Lamarque V. Souza</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.basyskom.com/</p></body></html>
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