'Re: Some of the things needed for 1.0'

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Subject: Re: Some of the things needed for 1.0
From: Shantanu Tushar Jha <jhahoneyk () gmail ! com>
Date: 2011-10-03 13:48:56
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Hi Carl,

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Carl Symons <carlsymons@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Markus Slopianka <markus.s@kdemail.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 15:19:47 Ivan =C4=8Cuki=C4=87 wrote:
> >
> >> If calligra ppl want to implement pdf and other format's support,
> >> fine, if not we can't use it.
> >
> > At least PDF support is definitely planned.
> >
> >
> >> If yes, we can use it, but not before it
> >> becomes more stable, like okular currently is.
> >
> > You called for a touchscreen version of Okular which requires a
> completely new GUI which
> > is _currently_ not available.
> > Embedding the Okular KPart in Calligra would combine Okular's stability
> with Calligra's
> > touch GUI. That would be a relatively easy stop-gap solution until nati=
ve
> Calligra PDF
> > support is ready.
> >
>
> There is an immediate use case for showing presentations on the
> tablet. In fact, that's one of the primary ways I expect to be using
> it.
>
> I've just experimented with a presentation that I will be giving later
> this week to a real live customer. Okular works; Calligra Active
> doesn't.
>

I guess you tried it with a PDF, that won't work. (read below)

>
> Okular may not have what people here consider a touchscreen interface,
> but it works fine for me. There are no reasonable obstacles to its
> use. I would prefer not to have to be so precise in selecting menu
> choices, but in several such operations, there was only one error.
>
> Trying to get Calligra Active to work with stop-gap solutions is a bad
> idea.
>
> Secondary consideration...
> I'm not working in the technology; I'm a reasonably well informed
> user. I support Calligra's push to parity with other FOSS office
> suites, and am willing to sacrifice somewhat to in that support.
> However, with the ExoPC/openSUSE/PlasmaActive/Contour set-up, Calligra
> Active, I'm mystified.
>

That is so because it is designed by someone (me :P) who frankly didn't hav=
e
good experience with touch UIs. Still making improvements, but yes I agree
the pace isn't good.

>
> I select Calligra Active and am presented with a screen showing a list
> with purty icons...Document, Spreadsheet, Presentation, Open Document.
> Pressing Open Document opens a file open dialog. Pressing any other
> button does nothing.
>
> PDFs won't open in Calligra Active. ODPs open with the slides taking
> about 50% of the available screen area in the upper left corner. There
> is no apparent way to resize them. The slides can be moved to the
> center of the screen, and retreat to upper left when released.
>

Thanks for bringing this to notice, I was so engaged in other stuff[1] that
I didn't pay attention to the slides appearing smaller. Somehow I think I'v=
e
used a absolute zoom factor which worked on my laptop screen but not
everywhere. I'm trying to fix this one.
PDFs are not yet supported in CA, sorry.

[1] Desktop search integration, so now the other three buttons work :)

>
> As it currently is, Calligra Active is not ready for the tablet.
> Favoring it over Okular shows Plasma Active in a bad light.
>
> Carl
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Shantanu Tushar    (UTC +0530)
http://www.shantanutushar.com

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Hi Carl, <div> </div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct \
2, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Carl Symons &lt;<a \
href="mailto:carlsymons@gmail.com">carlsymons@gmail.com</a>&gt; \
wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Markus \
Slopianka &lt;<a href="mailto:markus.s@kdemail.net">markus.s@kdemail.net</a>&gt; \
wrote: &gt; On Sonntag 02 Oktober 2011 15:19:47 Ivan Čukić wrote: 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; If calligra ppl want to implement pdf and other format&#39;s support, 
&gt;&gt; fine, if not we can&#39;t use it. 
&gt; 
&gt; At least PDF support is definitely planned. 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; If yes, we can use it, but not before it 
&gt;&gt; becomes more stable, like okular currently is. 
&gt; 
&gt; You called for a touchscreen version of Okular which requires a completely new \
GUI which &gt; is _currently_ not available. 
&gt; Embedding the Okular KPart in Calligra would combine Okular&#39;s stability with \
Calligra&#39;s &gt; touch GUI. That would be a relatively easy stop-gap solution \
until native Calligra PDF &gt; support is ready. 
&gt; 
 
</div>There is an immediate use case for showing presentations on the 
tablet. In fact, that&#39;s one of the primary ways I expect to be using 
it. 
 
I&#39;ve just experimented with a presentation that I will be giving later 
this week to a real live customer. Okular works; Calligra Active 
doesn&#39;t. </blockquote><div> I guess you tried it with a PDF, that won&#39;t \
work. (read below) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt \
0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

Okular may not have what people here consider a touchscreen interface, 
but it works fine for me. There are no reasonable obstacles to its 
use. I would prefer not to have to be so precise in selecting menu 
choices, but in several such operations, there was only one error. 
 
Trying to get Calligra Active to work with stop-gap solutions is a bad idea. 
 
Secondary consideration... 
I&#39;m not working in the technology; I&#39;m a reasonably well informed 
user. I support Calligra&#39;s push to parity with other FOSS office 
suites, and am willing to sacrifice somewhat to in that support. 
However, with the ExoPC/openSUSE/PlasmaActive/Contour set-up, Calligra 
Active, I&#39;m mystified. </blockquote><div> That is so because it is designed \
by someone (me :P) who frankly didn&#39;t have good experience with touch UIs. Still \
making improvements, but yes I agree the pace isn&#39;t good. \
 </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> 
I select Calligra Active and am presented with a screen showing a list 
with purty icons...Document, Spreadsheet, Presentation, Open Document. 
Pressing Open Document opens a file open dialog. Pressing any other 
button does nothing. 
 
PDFs won&#39;t open in Calligra Active. ODPs open with the slides taking 
about 50% of the available screen area in the upper left corner. There 
is no apparent way to resize them. The slides can be moved to the 
center of the screen, and retreat to upper left when \
released. </blockquote><div> Thanks for bringing this to notice, I was so \
engaged in other stuff[1] that I didn&#39;t pay attention to the slides appearing \
smaller. Somehow I think I&#39;ve used a absolute zoom factor which worked on my \
laptop screen but not everywhere. I&#39;m trying to fix this one. PDFs are not \
yet supported in CA, sorry. [1] Desktop search integration, so now the other \
three buttons work :) </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: \
0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">

<br>
As it currently is, Calligra Active is not ready for the tablet.<br>
Favoring it over Okular shows Plasma Active in a bad light.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Carl<br>
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