From kde-active  Wed Aug 31 20:18:48 2011
From: colomar () autistici ! org (Thomas Pfeiffer)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 20:18:48 +0000
To: kde-active
Subject: getting images together for 1.0
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(sorry in advance if this mail arrives twice. It didn't show up on the list 
the first time for more than an hour, so I sent it again)

On Wednesday 31 August 2011 19:36:23 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 31, 2011 17:06:51 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> >  Okay, I see I used the wrong term here. Usecase of course means
> >  something
> >  different to an engineer since it is a defined term in engineering. ;)
> >  What I meant was actually something different, something broader.
> >  Let's call them "usage scenario" then.
> 
> ah .. "user stories" .. yeah, we have generated a few of those in the past.
> doing another round of them and thereby refresing our goals for PA-Two would
> be quite good.

I see, now we're on the same page :) Are those user stories still available 
somehwere? I'd like to have a look at them so I know what I can expect as a 
user from the first release ;)

> >  These are the things that create value for a user, the technical
> >  usecases are only
> >  the means to reach the goals when combined.
> >  To create those scenarios, we'd of course have to find out what people
> >  are using  their tablets for first.
> 
> my response to this depends on whether we are talking about the primary
> interface or the applications that ship with it.
> 
> for the primary interface, i'd say:
> 
> doing that would lead us to, i'm afraid, recreating the "application
> buckets" of Honeycomb and iPad. since 'running applications to read news,
> talk to friends and play games' isn't a very hard concept to grasp, more
> interesting to me is what people would _like_ to use their tablets for
> (including that which they perhaps haven't yet realized is possible to
> expect from them).
 
+1000.
I just slipped back to the innovation-blocking "do what the user wants", sorry 
for that. Finding scenarios where a tablet would be useful with the right 
features and applications is the key indeed, not just looking at what's 
already possible.

> the idea of activities is precisely in that direction, of course, and
> hopefully it will be a way for people to form a more personal connection
> with their device while also finding it more useful to them.

Yes, I hope so too.
 
> for apps that ship with the device:
> 
> this is a good way to know which areas to target first. i suppose that would
> be angry birds ;P .. calligra and kontact are ok as demoware at the moment,
> but they both need more work from their respecitve teams. they fill two
> _very_ important areas in the applications area: documents and groupware.

+1

> there are going to be a lot more holes for us to fill, and seeing what
> people are using most right now on their tablets would be highly useful.

Agreed, we should do both: See what people do and imagine what they _could_ 
do.

> yes; we're working on the minimal product right now .. which is actually
> already pretty non-minimal, thankfully :)

In some areas, yes. But I'm not sure if it has what's needed in all important 
areas. I will try to find time to use the current meego image on my Wetab (in 
case I get Wifi configured on it manually) in some real-world scenarios over 
the next few days and see how useful it feels to me or if I miss some crucial 
things.

> >  order to  market  a product to a wider audience of end-users, I think
> >  it is very  importand  to focus on what creates actual value for
> >  them.
> that was the thinking that led to activities and Contour itself. it will be
> interesting to see where we decide to focus our attentions on in the next
> iteration. i don't think we'll do anything too radically variant from what
> we have now, but that means we'll have resources to fill in the spaces left
> unfilled right now.

To me Contour and the activities are an interesting concept offering many 
possibilities, but since it offers a pretty different workflow from what 
people are used to, we'll have to see or how it supports the user stories 
particularly of tablet users. And I'm pretty sure there will be quite a few 
places to improve coming up which we haven't even thought of yet. But that's 
by no means a negative thing, of course.