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Subject:    Re: Is there a project that is jovie successor? (fwd)
From:       Jeremy Whiting <jpwhiting () kde ! org>
Date:       2021-10-25 19:04:45
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Hi Gustav,

It seems you have some Qt 4 qmake instead of Qt 5 qmake just like this:

https://forum.qt.io/topic/34792/solved-unable-to-build-examples-app-on-mac-os-x-mavericks-qt-5-1-1/3


I'm not sure how opensuse packages qmake, but you likely need Qt5 headers
and libraries from some package. From reading this
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/492450-Installed-Qt5-Creator-Qt5-Qmake-missing
 you probably want libqt5-qtbase-devel  which will pull in the right thing.

BR,
Jeremy

P.S. Downloading opensuse 15.2 iso now to try to recreate in a vm here also.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 12:56 PM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> No luck.  I downloaded the zip file to a directory in my home folder.
> Unpacked it and ran the commands.  Here is the result:
> 
> user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> qmake
> /home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/hello_speak.pro:4: Unknown test
> function: qtHaveModule
> /home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/hello_speak.pro:5: Unknown test
> function: qtHaveModule
> Project MESSAGE: Warning: unknown QT: texttospeech
> user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> make
> Some of the required modules (qtHaveModule(gui)) are not available.
> Skipped.
> user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak> hello_speak
> If 'hello_speak' is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup
> the package that contains it, like this:
> cnf hello_speak
> 
> I'm running Plasma  5.18.6,  Frameworks 5.71.0, Qt 5.12.7 and kernel
> 5.3.18-lp152.95-preempt.  All the sofware is from the stock installation
> and upgrades of opensuse 15.2.    Any suggestions?   Thanks, Gustav
> 
> On 10/25/21 5:01 PM, Jeremy Whi
> > Gustav,
> > 
> > Yeah, it's a bit weird since the example code is in git next to the
> > QTextToSpeech sources. I've included a zip file of the version from Qt
> > 5.15.2. You should be able to build it with:
> > 
> > cd hello_speak
> > qmake
> > make
> > 
> > then run hello_speak to see the gui and try QTextToSpeech directly.
> > Since we've ruled out speech-dispatcher layer it's likely one of the
> > following:
> > 
> > 1. QtTextToSpeech is somehow sending the text to both of it's plugins
> > (there are 2 plugins for it on linux, flite, and speech-dispatcher,
> > it's only supposed to use one of them, but maybe some settings on your
> > device have it sending to both?)
> > 2. QtTextToSpeech speech-dispatcher plugin is sending the text to
> > speech-dispatcher twice somehow.
> > 
> > In the example app's gui you can select which plugin it's using from
> > the "Engine" combo box. See if you get duplication when using flite
> > (if flite is an option, maybe it's not depending what your
> > distribution ships) and speech-dispatcher and Default.
> > 
> > Just curious which distribution are you using? Also which version of
> > it? Maybe I can recreate in a virtual machine here once I know those 2
> > answers.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Jeremy
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 3:15 AM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks Jeremy for the detailed explanation and suggestions.  I
> > was only
> > aware of some parts of the machanisms behind KDE tts.
> > 
> > 1) In my case, there is no  ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher
> > directory.|Â
> > In my /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf
> > AddModule "espeak"Â  "sd-espeak"Â  "espeak.conf" is the only
> > uncommented
> > line in the relevant section.|
> > 2) the command  spd-say "Hello"  outputs only one normal
> > sounding voice.
> > 3) I looked at
> > https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>> but
> can't
> > figure out what program to use, what command to run or what code to
> > download to compile.  I tried every variation of commands such
> > as  "Qt
> > text-to-speech example", "QtTextToSpeech example" and many others
> > without success, it always returns cnf. I googled to see what I
> > might be
> > missing.  I looked in my setup software packages for relevant code
> > without success.
> > 4.  The duplicate voices occur both with Okular and Kmouth.
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/25/21 12:25 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> > > Gustav,
> > > 
> > > This sounds like a pretty tricky issue to find the cause of. Some
> > > explanation of how it all fits together may help though. If you're
> > > already aware of this just ignore it, but it may help find the
> > cause.
> > > 
> > > Speech-dispatcher itself is a daemon that has modules for various
> > > synthesizers, espeak, festival, pico, etc. It is usually
> > configured so
> > > one synthesizer is the default, but many can be set up to use for
> > > example if the default doesn't support the wanted language a
> > fallback
> > > synthesizer can be used.
> > > 
> > > Qt Text-to-speech is a library that kmouth, okular, plasma, etc.
> > use
> > > to interact with speech-dispatcher on linux (and sapi on windows,
> > > voiceover on mac, android tts on android, etc.)
> > > 
> > > Firefox if I remember correctly talks directly to speech-dispatcher
> > > using libspeechd so isn't going through Qt's text-to-speech
> library.
> > > 
> > > Some things you could try to see if you can narrow it down:
> > > 
> > > 1. Find out which synthesizer speech-dispatcher is configured to
> > use
> > > by default. If festival is not running it's likely espeak-ng.
> > spd-conf
> > > or sending along or checking yourself your
> > > ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher/*.conf files should say which one is
> > > default.
> > > 2. If spd-say "Hello" from a command line sounds ok and doesn't
> > > duplicate text then speech-dispatcher is not the problem.
> > > 3. Run Qt text-to-speech example
> > > https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>
> > > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html
> > <https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html>> <-- may
> > > need to build from source, unless your distribution happens to
> > have a
> > > package for it. If audio is duplicated when using that then the
> > > problem is in Qt text-to-speech library itself.
> > > 4. If the example sounds fine, then the problem is either in
> > okular's
> > > use of QTextToSpeech library (i.e. maybe it's trying to run 2 audio
> > > jobs at the same time possibly?)
> > > 
> > > Hope that helps narrow it down a bit.
> > > 
> > > thanks,
> > > Jeremy
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 6:49 AM Gustav Degreef
> > <gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Â  Â  Â Unfortunately Festival does not seem the culprit for the
> > double
> > > Â  Â  Â stream
> > > Â  Â  Â in either Kmouth or Okular. When I run top (without
> > Kmouth or Okular
> > >      running) festival is not running in either case.  When
> > I try to
> > > Â  Â  Â read a
> > > Â  Â  Â pdf with Okular or when trying to speak out text with
> > Kmouth, top
> > > Â  Â  Â DOES
> > >      NOT show Festival running in either case.  In all
> > these cases
> > > Â  Â  Â espeak is
> > >      running, as seen in top.  When Okular and Kmouth are
> > putting out
> > > Â  Â  Â the two
> > > Â  Â  Â simultaneous voices, and I KILL the process for espeak,
> > ALL speech
> > >      output stops.   I have no idea of how to track this
> > down
> > >      further.  The
> > > Â  Â  Â problem never happens with Jovie or Speak Aloud plugin in
> > Firefox.Â
> > >      Thanks,  Gustav.
> > > 
> > > Â  Â  Â On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > >      > I bet kmouth runs festival by default. Festival has
> many
> > > Â  Â  Â voices from many
> > >      > countries available to use.  So you don't want to be
> > running
> > > Â  Â  Â espeak or you
> > > Â  Â  Â > don't want to be running festival-server one or the
> > other.ÂÂ
> > > Â  Â  Â That should
> > >      > solve that problem.  Somewhere in kmouth
> > configuration it starts up
> > > Â  Â  Â > festival-server and commenting that line out ought to
> > leave you with
> > > Â  Â  Â > espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine.
> > > Â  Â  Â > It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never
> > seen in
> > > Â  Â  Â this life.
> > > Â  Â  Â > I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing
> > it and
> > > Â  Â  Â see how far
> > >      > I don't get.  I did software testing for the federal
> > government
> > > Â  Â  Â before
> > > Â  Â  Â > retiring so this shouldn't be too bad and have several
> > ssd and
> > > Â  Â  Â sata disks
> > > Â  Â  Â > I can use.
> > > Â  Â  Â >
> > > Â  Â  Â >
> > > Â  Â  Â > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> > > Â  Â  Â >
> > > Â  Â  Â >> Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful
> > reply.  I
> > > Â  Â  Â really appreciate
> > >      >> your taking this seriously.   I tried Kmouth
> > again (after
> > >      years).  It has:
> > > Â  Â  Â >>
> > >      >> 1)  the same problem as \
> > > Okular.  It
> > speaks the text in
> > > Â  Â  Â two simultaneous
> > > Â  Â  Â >> streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish sounding
> > voice)
> > > Â  Â  Â of the same text
> > > Â  Â  Â >> so the output is incomprehensible.
> > >      >> 2) no way to stop the speech output.  No pause
> > and no resume.
> > >      >> 3)  It opens a separate window, that I have to
> > look for it
> > > Â  Â  Â on the taskbar -
> > > Â  Â  Â >> when it is in the background.
> > > Â  Â  Â >> 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in another
> > >      application),  I have
> > >      >> to  navigate to the start button (or other
> > button),  this
> > > Â  Â  Â is cumbersome.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>
> > > Â  Â  Â >> 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted
> > person, but
> > > Â  Â  Â for the partially
> > >      >> sighted, it causes delay and frustration.  A
> > typical task I
> > > Â  Â  Â do is writing
> > > Â  Â  Â >> substantial documents and then I have Jovie read back
> > to me the
> > > Â  Â  Â sentences,
> > > Â  Â  Â >> paragraphs or pages that I've written (many times in a
> > >      sitting).   This helps
> > >      >> in revising and editing any significant work.ÂÂÂ
> The
> > > Â  Â  Â difference in functionality
> > > Â  Â  Â >> between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other
> > tasks) are
> > > Â  Â  Â pretty huge.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>
> > > Â  Â  Â >> If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and ease
> > of use
> > > Â  Â  Â of Jovie,
> > >      >> great.  I appreciate your efforts, Gustav
> > > Â  Â  Â >>
> > > Â  Â  Â >> On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> Gustav, Simon,
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely hadn't
> > > Â  Â  Â considered those
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> cases. I'll give it some thought today and decide one
> > of the
> > > Â  Â  Â following to
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> remedy the situation.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> 1. Add the missing features and functionality to KMouth.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a bit since it
> > has bit
> > > Â  Â  Â rotted
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> significantly in the past 5 years or so.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> I'm leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs some
> > love and
> > > Â  Â  Â attention anyway.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> If we go that direction KMouth would need the following
> > > Â  Â  Â features to be
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> feature complete with the use cases described above.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as control
> > over the
> > > Â  Â  Â queue to
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> remove entries, etc.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> b) Voice settings to be able to switch between voices
> > quickly.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be able
> > to speak,
> > > Â  Â  Â play, stop,
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> pause, etc. like Jovie had.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> d) Speak clipboard contents.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> for b I really didn't like that Jovie had voice
> > settings that
> > > Â  Â  Â were separate
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> from Speech-Dispatcher's settings. In my mind we
> > should be
> > > Â  Â  Â able to control
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, etc.)
> > directly
> > > Â  Â  Â by manipulating
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to work
> the
> > > Â  Â  Â configuration gui
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> would need to directly manipulate speech-dispatcher's
> > .conf
> > > Â  Â  Â files and have a
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> way to tell it to reload them when we change them.
> > I'm not
> > > Â  Â  Â sure if that's
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself yet
> > or not. If
> > > Â  Â  Â not it
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> shouldn't be too tricky to add though. The other
> > items should
> > > Â  Â  Â be pretty
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> straightforward.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> thanks,
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> Jeremy
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef
> > > Â  Â  Â <gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>> <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com> <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      Thank you Jeremy for the opportunity \
> > > to
> > address this
> > > Â  Â  Â directly.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement \
> > > is
> > indispensable
> > > Â  Â  Â for those of us
> > >      >>>      who are partially sighted (not
> > blind).?  In my
> > > Â  Â  Â opinion, a screen
> > >      >>>      reader
> > >      >>>      (very useful for the blind) actually
> > gets in the way
> > > Â  Â  Â for people
> > >      >>>      like me.
> > >      >>>      ? \
> > > ? Jovie does a very
> > simple and
> > > Â  Â  Â straightforward task - it reads
> > >      >>>      the most
> > >      >>>      recent content of the
> > clipboard.? Jovie allows for
> > > Â  Â  Â selecting text
> > >      >>>      (and
> > >      >>>      reading it out) in virtually all of \
> > > the
> > major
> > > Â  Â  Â applications/tasks (and
> > >      >>>      virtually all others) that a primarily
> > desktop user
> > > Â  Â  Â needs for
> > >      >>>      every day
> > >      >>>      use.?  Those \
> > > functions/tasks
> > where?ÂÂÂ
> > > Â  Â  Â jovie/replacement is needed are:
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) \
> > > Kate      >>>      2) e-mail client - imc \
> > > thunderbird      >>>      3) browser - imc Firefox
> > >      >>>      4) pdf reader - imc Okular
> > >      >>>      5) word processor - imc LibreOffice
> > >      >>>      6) text from "program to user output"
> > (error messages,
> > > Â  Â  Â text boxes,
> > >      >>>      command line output, etc).
> > >      >>>      7) miscellaneous programs not so often
> > used.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      In my experience/opinion:
> > >      >>>      Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy and
> > requires too
> > > Â  Â  Â many steps.
> > >      >>>      using the command line adds several
> > steps that disturb
> > > Â  Â  Â the flow of
> > >      >>>      work,
> > >      >>>      it is not simple to have to switch
> > windows and then
> > > Â  Â  Â have to type a
> > >      >>>      command.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      Indispensable (for partially sighted)
> > aspects of Jovie
> > > Â  Â  Â or Jovie
> > >      >>>      replacement:
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      1) SIMPLE interface with as few clicks
> > or steps or
> > > Â  Â  Â commands to get
> > >      >>>      speech output. - ideal use is with
> > mouse or keyboard
> > > Â  Â  Â shortcut.
> > >      >>>      Currently
> > >      >>>      jovie takes three simple steps with
> > mouse or keyboard
> > > Â  Â  Â shortcut - text
> > >      >>>      select, text copy,?  \
> > > then
> > start/etc. speech output.
> > >      >>>      2) being able to select all or ONLY
> > part of a piece of
> > > Â  Â  Â text - with
> > >      >>>      the
> > >      >>>      mouse or shortcut.
> > >      >>>      3) Easily start/stop and pause/resume
> > speech output
> > > Â  Â  Â with mouse or
> > >      >>>      shortcut.
> > >      >>>      4) Sits in system tray or functions
> > from menu that
> > > Â  Â  Â appears on right
> > >      >>>      click of mouse (or keyboard shortcut).
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      There are currently add ons to \
> > > programs
> > that COULD
> > > Â  Â  Â fulfill most of
> > >      >>>      these
> > >      >>>      requirements,? \
> > > however they do
> > not all work well:
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built in
> > function for tts.
> > >      >>>      2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud plugin:
> > very limited, it
> > > Â  Â  Â reads the ENTIRE
> > >      >>>      message with some headers. Does not
> > allow for
> > > Â  Â  Â selecting a portion
> > >      >>>      of the
> > >      >>>      text, can't stop, can't
> > pause/resume.?  Totally
> > > Â  Â  Â inadequate for a
> > >      >>>      bottom
> > >      >>>      posted list message.
> > >      >>>      3) Firefox - Read Aloud \
> > > plugin:?ÂÂ
> > works quite well,
> > > Â  Â  Â has all needed
> > >      >>>      functions.
> > >      >>>      4) Okular - nice built in tts \
> > > function,
> > easy to select
> > > Â  Â  Â text, right
> > >      >>>      click
> > >      >>>      mouse to output \
> > > speech.?ÂÂÂ
> > However it outputs (at
> > > Â  Â  Â least on
> > >      >>>      opensuse) two
> > >      >>>      simultaneous speech streams (of the
> > same text) with
> > > Â  Â  Â different
> > >      >>>      voices and
> > >      >>>      it is impossible to understand.
> > >      >>>      5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin but
> > it is cumbersome
> > > Â  Â  Â and adds
> > >      >>>      several
> > >      >>>      steps.?  It has a \
> > > nice feature
> > to output the
> > > Â  Â  Â contents of the
> > >      >>>      clipboard
> > >      >>>      but it requires too many steps.
> > >      >>>      6) program to user output - kmouth or
> > command line
> > > Â  Â  Â seem the only
> > >      >>>      alternative to Jovie
> > >      >>>      7) miscellaneous programs (with no
> > plugins or built in
> > > Â  Â  Â tts)? -
> > >      >>>      same as 6)
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      It seems clear that a lot of \
> > > developers
> > are aware/are
> > > Â  Â  Â working on
> > >      >>>      tts for
> > >      >>>      various programs, and that is very
> > encouraging and
> > > Â  Â  Â great. However,
> > >      >>>      it is
> > >      >>>      a time of great transition and the tts
> > functions
> > > Â  Â  Â (without Jovie) are
> > >      >>>      quite inadequate for the partially
> > sighted (for
> > > Â  Â  Â example, from macular
> > >      >>>      degeneration which is fairly common).
> > Thanks, Gustav.
> > > Â  Â  Â >>>
> > >      >>>      On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting \
> > > wrote:      >>>      > Hello all,
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      > I've been quietly watching this
> > conversation for a
> > > Â  Â  Â bit but need to
> > >      >>>      > chime in here. I'm the one that
> > changed the name
> > > Â  Â  Â from ktts to Jovie
> > >      >>>      > many years ago. Then deprecated \
> > > Jovie
> > itself when
> > > Â  Â  Â QtSpeech came
> > >      >>>      about.
> > >      >>>      > I'm very curious about what use \
> > > cases
> > there still
> > > Â  Â  Â are for Jovie.
> > >      >>>      > Shortly before the name change from
> > ktts to Jovie it was
> > >      >>>      drastically
> > >      >>>      > changed to just be a gui on top of
> > > Â  Â  Â Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a
> > >      >>>      > library does the same thing but has
> > no gui, is only
> > > Â  Â  Â useful from
> > >      >>>      > applications. My question is what do
> > you use Jovie
> > > Â  Â  Â for exactly?
> > >      >>>      Here
> > >      >>>      > are the ways replacements using
> > QtSpeech "Just Work"
> > > Â  Â  Â in my mind.
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      > Want to hear notifications from any
> > KDE application
> > > Â  Â  Â like Jovie/ktts
> > >      >>>      > did? Turn that on in the
> > application's notifications
> > >      >>>      configuration. It
> > >      >>>      > uses QtSpeech to speak the
> > notification, title,
> > > Â  Â  Â message or both.
> > >      >>>      Just
> > >      >>>      > like it did previously with \
> > > ktts/jovie.      >>>      > Want to read a document \
> > > out loud? Use
> > Okular's
> > > Â  Â  Â QtSpeech actions in
> > >      >>>      > it's menu. It sends either the
> > selected text or the
> > > Â  Â  Â current page
> > >      >>>  Â��    to be
> > >      >>>      > spoken to Speech-Dispatcher directly
> > for listening
> > > Â  Â  Â to the document.
> > >      >>>      > Want to read out loud a web article
> > of some kind?
> > > Â  Â  Â Use Firefox's tts
> > >      >>>      > features to read it out to you. It
> > doesn't use
> > > Â  Â  Â QtSpeech, but
> > >      >>>      interacts
> > >      >>>      > with speech-dispatcher directly if I
> > recall correctly.
> > >      >>>      > Want to type some text and hear it
> > spoken? This can
> > > Â  Â  Â be done in a
> > >      >>>      > number of ways. 1. spd-say command
> > line tool. 2.
> > > Â  Â  Â espeak or
> > >      >>>      espeak-ng
> > >      >>>      > or festival, or pico or any other \
> > > tts
> > directly from
> > > Â  Â  Â command
> > >      >>>      line. 3.
> > >      >>>      > Use KMouth if you prefer to have a
> > gui. KMouth uses
> > >      >>>      speech-dispatcher
> > >      >>>      > directly if I recall correctly and
> > provides a nice
> > > Â  Â  Â gui with a
> > >      >>>      > customizable dictionary of commonly
> > used words, etc.
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      > With the above, what is the use of
> > Jovie anymore? If
> > > Â  Â  Â there's a use
> > >      >>>      > case that isn't covered by the above
> > we can
> > > Â  Â  Â certainly revive
> > >      >>>      Jovie and
> > >      >>>      > fill the gap if there is one, but in
> > my mind the
> > > Â  Â  Â above uses are
> > >      >>>      > already covered.
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      > thanks,
> > >      >>>      > Jeremy Whiting
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM Jude
> > DaShiell
> > >      >>>      <jdashiel@panix.com
> > <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com> <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com
> > <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com>>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com>
> > <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com>>>
> > >      >>>      > <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com
> > <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com>>
> > <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com
> > <mailto:jdashiel@panix.com>>>>> wrote:
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? Quite
> > agree with you on that
> > >      score.???  A new version of
> > >      >>>      redcore
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? Linux is      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? available for download and it has a
> > > Â  Â  Â very current kernel
> > >      >>>      and its
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? default      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? desktop
> > is kde plasma.???  Maybe
> > > Â  Â  Â one thing jovie might do
> > >      >>>      when
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? started
> > up is
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? to
> > locate something like espeak-ng
> > > Â  Â  Â or espeak or
> > >      >>>      speech-dispatcher and
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? start
> > those up first then come up on
> > > Â  Â  Â its own.??? If it finds
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? speech-dispatcher maybe remind the
> > > Â  Â  Â user to run spd-conf
> > >      >>>      to get
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? speech-dispatcher configured
> > > Â  Â  Â correctly but could generate
> > >      >>>      a default
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? spd.conf file and let the user know
> > > Â  Â  Â that it's there and maybe
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> ? reconfigure
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? if
> > problems arise.
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? On Thu,
> > 21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef
> > > Â  Â  Â wrote:
> > >      >>>      >
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > Festival was not much of an
> > > Â  Â  Â improvement in voice
> > >      >>>      quality.???
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? Embrola, as you
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > say,
> > was too difficult to
> > >      configure.???  I'll check out
> > >      >>>      Fenrir,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? and
> > tdsr but the
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > voice
> > quality is TOTALLY secondary
> > > Â  Â  Â - a smoothly working
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? jovie/espeak (or
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > equivalent) is quite adequate to
> > >      get things done.???Â
> > >      >>>      Which in
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? theend
> > is really
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > the
> > important thing. Gustav
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > On
> > 10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell
> > > Â  Â  Â wrote:
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >
> > fenrir and tdsr are a couple
> > > Â  Â  Â more to check out and
> > >      >>>      mbrola and
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? festival can
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >
> > maybe help the human speech
> > > Â  Â  Â situation though not easily
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> ? configured.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >   \
> > >    >>>      >? ?  \
> > > ? > > On
> > Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Gustav
> > > Â  Â  Â Degreef wrote:
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>
> > Actually, Jovie replaced ktts
> > > Â  Â  Â quite some years ago.????
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? Qtspeech is supposed
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >> to      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >> be
> > a partial replacement, but
> > > Â  Â  Â there is no frontend
> > >      >>>      program to
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? manage the      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>
> > output of speechdispatcher
> > > Â  Â  Â (like Jovie). ??? e-speak
> > >      >>>      works
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? fine
> > for me, but
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>
> > bothers everyne else who
> > > Â  Â  Â listens to my computer
> > >      >>>      outptut (my
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? partner
> and
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>
> > friends).???? e-speak is
> > > Â  Â  Â clear enough, just does
> > >      >>>      not sound
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? like a
> > person.???
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >> Good,      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>
> > I'll look into espeak-ng,
> > > Â  Â  Â thanks! Gustav
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >> On
> > 10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude
> > > Â  Â  Â DaShiell wrote:
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> I
> > had read somewhere ktts was
> > > Â  Â  Â supposed to have replaced
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? jovie.???  Also,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > espeak-ng is a successor to
> > >      espeak.???  It's good
> > >      >>>      you got any
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? of this      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>
> > working.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>  \
> > >    >>>      >? ?  \
> > > ? > >>>
> > ---------- Forwarded message
> > > Â  Â  Â ---------- Date: Thu,
> > >      >>>      21 Oct
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? 2021
> > 04:36:27
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > From: Gustav Degreef
> > > Â  Â  Â <gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>>
> > >      >>>      <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com> <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com
> > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>>>
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>>>>>
> > >      >>>      To: Simion
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > <simion314@gmail.com <mailto:simion314@gmail.com>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:simion314@gmail.com <mailto:simion314@gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:simion314@gmail.com <mailto:simion314@gmail.com>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:simion314@gmail.com <mailto:simion314@gmail.com>>>
> > >      >>>      <mailto:simion314@gmail.com
> > <mailto:simion314@gmail.com>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:simion314@gmail.com <mailto:simion314@gmail.com>>
> > <mailto:simion314@gmail.com <mailto:simion314@gmail.com>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:simion314@gmail.com <mailto:simion314@gmail.com
> > > > > > ,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ?
> > kde-accessibility@kde.org <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org>>
> > >      >>>      <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org>>>
> > >      >>>      <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org>>
> > > Â  Â  Â <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org>
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org
> > <mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org>>>>
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? Subject: Re: Is there a
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > project that is jovie successor?
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>
> > Hi Simion,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>
> > Thanks for your input and
> > >      effort.????? ?????  I
> > >      >>>      carefuly looked
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? over
> > everything
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> you      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>>
> > mentioned, including the
> > > Â  Â  Â script but it has taken me
> > >      >>>      a long
> > >      >>>      >?  \
> > > ?ÂÂ
> > ? time.????? ?????  I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> only      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>>
> > have a
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > rudimentary??????  knowledge of
> > >      >>>    ÂÂ
> > scripts.????? ????? ?????  \
> > So
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? modifying or writing
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > scripts
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > is beyond
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > my current possibility,
> > > Â  Â  Â especially with my vision
> > >      >>>      >?  \
> > > ?ÂÂ
> > ? problems.????? ?????  But \
> > it
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > really
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > helped me to look everything
> > >      over.????? ?????  I
> > >      >>>      decided the
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? best
> > way was to go
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> back      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>> to      >>>      >? \
> > > > > > > ?  ? > >>>
> > trying to install it from the
> > > Â  Â  Â opensuse
> > >      >>>     repos.????? \
> > > ?????  I had      >>>      \
> > > >? ?  ? failed
> > the first
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > time and
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > created a great confusion in
> > > Â  Â  Â my setup. But it was a
> > >      >>>      spare
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? "test"
> > setup on
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> a      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>
> > separate
> > >      partition.????? ????? I spent a lot of
> > >      >>>      time cleaning
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? up the
> > repos,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > updating and
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > cleaning up. And now Jovie
> > > Â  Â  Â works on opensuse
> > >      >>>     15.3!????? ?????
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? The
> > packages come
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> from      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>>
> > unofficial repos, but someone
> > > Â  Â  Â else with the tech
> > >      >>>      knowhow has
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? put it      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>
> > together.????? ?
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> I
> > am "forced" to upgrade soon,
> > > Â  Â  Â since the opensuse
> > >      >>>  Â��    15.2 EOL
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? is
> > soon.????? ????
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> But      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>> now
> I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > can move forward hopefully for
> > > Â  Â  Â another 1.5 years,
> > >      >>>      the life
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? of 15.3
> > until a
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > better solution
> > >      comes.????? ?????  I hope you or
> > >      >>>      someone else
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? can
> > help come up
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>> with      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>> a      >>>      >? \
> > > > > > > ?  ? > >>>
> > replacement for
> > >      Jovie.????? ?????  Thanks for \
> > > your      >>>      >?  \
> > > ?ÂÂ
> > ? efforts.????? ?????  \
> > Gustav.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>
> > p.s. I'm posting back on the
> > > Â  Â  Â list in case it may help
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? someone
> > else.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>
> > On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav
> > > Â  Â  Â Degreef wrote:
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>
> > On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > Hi Gustav,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > I personally would try to
> > > Â  Â  Â compile it, if I am
> > >      >>>      unable I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? would
> > try first a
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > simple bash script, the
> > > Â  Â  Â issue with next script is
> > >      >>>      that is not
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > queuing????????????? the
> > > Â  Â  Â tasks so you can get 2
> > >      >>>      speakers at
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? the
> > same time
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>> or      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>>>>
> you
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > can edit the script to
> > > Â  Â  Â "killall" previous taks (so an
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? application that
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > runs
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > in background would be
> > > Â  Â  Â needed to improve the
> > >      >>>      experience)
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > #! /bin/bash
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > xclip -out -selection
> > > Â  Â  Â primary | xclip -in
> > >      >>>      -selection clipboard
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > xsel --clipboard | tr "\n" "
> > > Â  Â  Â " | espeak
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > #end script
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > or maybe python or nodejs
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > I am tempted to write
> > > Â  Â  Â something to do some
> > >      >>>      cleanup on the
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? input,      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > like when I want to read an
> > > Â  Â  Â entire reddit page of
> > >      >>>      omments
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? would
> > be nice
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>> if      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>>>> I      >>>      >? \
> > > > > > > > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > could????????????? clean it
> > >      up?????????????Â
> > >      >>>      first and remove
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? all the      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > "reply/report
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > ..." buttons labels
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > The reason I decided that in
> > > Â  Â  Â future I would use
> > >      >>>      espeak is
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? because
> > in my
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > current configuration jovie
> > > Â  Â  Â uses speech
> > >      >>>      dispatcher and
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? speech
> > dispatcher
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > uses
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > espeak , Qt5 is a new extra
> > > Â  Â  Â layer so a new placed
> > >      >>>      that
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? could
> cause
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > problems
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > (but yes Qt5 would be nice
> > > Â  Â  Â to have if you plant
> > >      >>>      to write a
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? cross      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > operating
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > system desktop application).
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > I have no plans to upgrade
> > > Â  Â  Â from my system
> > >      >>>      >?  \
> > > ?ÂÂ
> > ? soon,?????????????  maybe when I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > will
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > upgrade my computer or I am
> > > Â  Â  Â forced to upgrade.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>> \
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > You probably need to install
> > > Â  Â  Â and configure
> > >      >>>      espeak, the
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? language and
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > speed,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > you can have a key bind
> > >      to?????????????  run the
> > >      >>>      script, you
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? can
> > modify the
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > script
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > to?????????????  add
> > > Â  Â  Â something like "killall
> > >      >>>      espeak" to stop
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? the
> > previous
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > Sorry I can't help more.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>>
> > Regards, Simion
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>
> > Hi Simion,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>>
> > Thanks for taking the time
> > > Â  Â  Â and for your effort.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? > >>>> \
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>
> > On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav
> > > Â  Â  Â Degreef wrote:
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > Hi Simion,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your detailed
> > >      reply.?????????????  I use
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? opensuse leap 15.2
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > with
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > KDE
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7.
> > >      ?????????????  Jovie
> > >      >>>      continues to
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? work
> > fine even
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > though
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > it has been
> > >      deprecated.?????????????  However,
> > >      >>>      it no longer
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? works on      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > opensuse
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > 15.3 and 15.2 end of life
> > > Â  Â  Â is in December this year.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? Someone
> > has built
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > packages for Jovie on the
> > > Â  Â  Â Open Build Service of
> > >      >>>      Suse, but
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? I could
> not
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > get
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>
> it
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > to install properly, I
> > > Â  Â  Â think it's due to the Qt
> > >      >>>      changes,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? I got a      >>>   \
> > >   >? ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > dependency
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > mess.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > I have been trying to find
> > > Â  Â  Â a replacement for
> > >      >>>      Jovie for 3
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? years at      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > least,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > since it was clear it would
> > > Â  Â  Â no longer be
> > >      >>>      >?  \
> > > ?ÂÂ
> > ? maintained.?????????????  Read
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > Aloud
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>
> is
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > a plugin for Firefox that
> > > Â  Â  Â fills all the browser
> > >      >>>      needs.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? Thunderbird also
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > has
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > a Read Aloud plugin, but it
> > > Â  Â  Â only works for
> > >      >>>      single emails
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? and top
> > posted
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > replies, list messages,
> > >      etc.?????????????  It
> > >      >>>      reads only
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? from top
> to
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > bottom
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > without being able to
> > > Â  Â  Â select only parts of the
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? mail.??????????
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > LibreOffice
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > has a text to speech plugin
> > > Â  Â  Â that even reads the
> > >      >>>      clipboard
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? contents, but
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>
> it
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > is cumbersome.????????????
> > > Â  Â  Â Okular has a nice TTS
> > >      >>>      function,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? but it
> > often
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > starts
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > two different simultaneous
> > > Â  Â  Â but voices of the
> > >      >>>      same text
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? which
> > can't be
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > understood.????????????
> > > Â  Â  Â Sometimes id functions
> > >      >>>      >?  \
> > > ?ÂÂ
> > ? fine.?????????????  That is
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > where I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > use TTS the most, and
> > > Â  Â  Â periodically to read out error
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? messages, text
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > boxes
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > etc (for which Jovie is
> > > Â  Â  Â indispensable and for
> > >      >>>      which I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? don't
> > have an
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > adequate
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > substitute).
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Any
> > > Â  Â  Â suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile
> > >      >>>      Jovie from
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? a tar      >>>    \
> > >   >? ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > binary??????????????  Or
> > > Â  Â  Â are you seriously
> > >      >>>      thinking of
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? building a      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > replacement
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > for
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > On 8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion
> > > Â  Â  Â wrote:
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > Hi, no problem ,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > btw my name is Simion no
> > > Â  Â  Â Simon, don't worry it
> > >      >>>      is OK
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? just
> > want to
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > mention
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > it to prevent issues like
> > > Â  Â  Â typos in emails
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > I still use Jovie, from my
> > > Â  Â  Â fork with a few
> > >      >>>      crash fixes
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > I have some scripts that I
> > > Â  Â  Â use directly espeak .
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was not yet forced to
> > > Â  Â  Â give up on Jovie but my
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?ÂÂÂ
> > ? conclussion was to not
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > use
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > Qt if I have to write my
> > > Â  Â  Â own replacement,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > since I would not need
> > > Â  Â  Â some crossplatform
> > >      >>>      solution I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? could
> > probably
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > make
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>
> a
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > python application , or
> > > Â  Â  Â even something that
> > >      >>>      runs in the
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >   Â
> > browser????????????????????????????????????????????????
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? or nodejs.      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>>>>>>      >>>      >? \
> > > > > > > > > > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > But for now on my distro I
> > > Â  Â  Â can still compile
> > >      >>>      jovie , I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? have a
> > keyboard
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > with
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > multipmedia keys so my
> > > Â  Â  Â workflow is to copy
> > >      >>>      paste stuff
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? in
> > clipboard
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > and
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > using my keys I can
> > > Â  Â  Â play/pause/resume. I still use
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? espeak
> > as backend
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > with
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > voice speed set to max.
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > > >>>>>>>      >>>      >? \
> > > > > > > > > > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > On 8/26/21 12:37 PM,
> > > Â  Â  Â Gustav Degreef wrote:
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > Hello Simon,
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I saw your old message on
> > > Â  Â  Â the accessibility
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >   Â
> > list.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? also have      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > serious
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > eye
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > problems, though I am not
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >   Â   Â
> >  blind.???????????????????????????????????????????????? I
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? have been      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > using
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > Jovie
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > for most of my computer
> > > Â  Â  Â time for years and I
> > >      >>>      am trying
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? to find a      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > replacement for
> > >      >>>      >?  ?
> > > Â  Â
> > 
>  ? \
> it.????????????????????????????????????????????????ÂÂ
> > In
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > my
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > situation a screen reader
> > > Â  Â  Â is not
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>>      >>>  \
> > >   Â
> > suitable.???????????????????????????????????????????
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? Excuse
> > me for
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > writing
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > >      >>>      >?  ?
> > > Â  Â
> >  ? directly.????????????????????????????????????????????????
> > >      >>>      Can I ask
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? >
> > > > > > > > > > more about this
> > >      >>>      >?  ?
> > >     ? \
> > > issue??????????????????????????????????????????????      >>>  \
> > >     >? ?  ? \
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gustav
> > >      >>>      >? \
> > > ?  ? > >>>>>>>>      >>>  \
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:monospace">Hi Gustav,</div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:monospace">It seems you have some Qt 4 qmake instead of Qt 5 qmake \
just like this:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:monospace"><a \
href="https://forum.qt.io/topic/34792/solved-unable-to-build-examples-app-on-mac-os-x- \
mavericks-qt-5-1-1/3">https://forum.qt.io/topic/34792/solved-unable-to-build-examples-app-on-mac-os-x-mavericks-qt-5-1-1/3</a></div></div><div><br></div><div><div \
style="font-family:monospace" class="gmail_default">I&#39;m not sure how opensuse \
packages qmake, but you likely need Qt5 headers and libraries from some package. From \
reading this <a href="https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/492450-Installed-Qt5- \
Creator-Qt5-Qmake-missing">https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/492450-Installed-Qt5-Creator-Qt5-Qmake-missing</a> \
you probably want  libqt5-qtbase-devel  which will pull in the right thing.</div><div \
style="font-family:monospace" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div \
style="font-family:monospace" class="gmail_default">BR,</div><div \
style="font-family:monospace" class="gmail_default">Jeremy</div><div \
style="font-family:monospace" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div \
style="font-family:monospace" class="gmail_default">P.S. Downloading opensuse 15.2 \
iso now to try to recreate in a vm here also.</div><br></div><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 12:56 \
PM Gustav Degreef &lt;<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Jeremy,<br> <br>
No luck.  I downloaded the zip file to a directory in my home folder.  <br>
Unpacked it and ran the commands.  Here is the result:<br>
<br>
user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak&gt; qmake<br>
/home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/<a href="http://hello_speak.pro:4" rel="noreferrer" \
                target="_blank">hello_speak.pro:4</a>: Unknown test <br>
function: qtHaveModule<br>
/home/user/.qtspeech/hello_speak/<a href="http://hello_speak.pro:5" rel="noreferrer" \
                target="_blank">hello_speak.pro:5</a>: Unknown test <br>
function: qtHaveModule<br>
Project MESSAGE: Warning: unknown QT: texttospeech<br>
user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak&gt; make<br>
Some of the required modules (qtHaveModule(gui)) are not available.<br>
Skipped.<br>
user:~/.qtspeech/hello_speak&gt; hello_speak<br>
If &#39;hello_speak&#39; is not a typo you can use command-not-found to lookup <br>
the package that contains it, like this:<br>
     cnf hello_speak<br>
<br>
I&#39;m running Plasma  5.18.6,  Frameworks 5.71.0, Qt 5.12.7 and kernel  <br>
5.3.18-lp152.95-preempt.  All the sofware is from the stock installation <br>
and upgrades of opensuse 15.2.    Any suggestions?   Thanks, Gustav<br>
<br>
On 10/25/21 5:01 PM, Jeremy Whi<br>
&gt; Gustav,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Yeah, it&#39;s a bit weird since the example code is in git next to the <br>
&gt; QTextToSpeech sources. I&#39;ve included a zip file of the version from Qt <br>
&gt; 5.15.2. You should be able to build it with:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; cd hello_speak<br>
&gt; qmake<br>
&gt; make<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; then run hello_speak to see the gui and try QTextToSpeech directly. <br>
&gt; Since we&#39;ve ruled out speech-dispatcher layer it&#39;s likely one of the \
<br> &gt; following:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1. QtTextToSpeech is somehow sending the text to both of it&#39;s plugins <br>
&gt; (there are 2 plugins for it on linux, flite, and speech-dispatcher, <br>
&gt; it&#39;s only supposed to use one of them, but maybe some settings on your <br>
&gt; device have it sending to both?)<br>
&gt; 2. QtTextToSpeech speech-dispatcher plugin is sending the text to <br>
&gt; speech-dispatcher twice somehow.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; In the example app&#39;s gui you can select which plugin it&#39;s using from \
<br> &gt; the &quot;Engine&quot; combo box. See if you get duplication when using \
flite <br> &gt; (if flite is an option, maybe it&#39;s not depending what your <br>
&gt; distribution ships) and speech-dispatcher and Default.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Just curious which distribution are you using? Also which version of <br>
&gt; it? Maybe I can recreate in a virtual machine here once I know those 2 <br>
&gt; answers.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; thanks,<br>
&gt; Jeremy<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 3:15 AM Gustav Degreef &lt;<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> <br> &gt; \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;<br>
&gt;     Thanks Jeremy for the detailed explanation and suggestions.   I<br>
&gt;     was only<br>
&gt;     aware of some parts of the machanisms behind KDE tts.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;     1) In my case, there is no   ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher<br>
&gt;     directory.| <br>
&gt;     In my /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf<br>
&gt;     AddModule &quot;espeak&quot;   &quot;sd-espeak&quot;   \
&quot;espeak.conf&quot; is the only<br> &gt;     uncommented<br>
&gt;     line in the relevant section.|<br>
&gt;     2) the command   spd-say &quot;Hello&quot;   outputs only one normal<br>
&gt;     sounding voice.<br>
&gt;     3) I looked at<br>
&gt;     <a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html</a><br>
 &gt;     &lt;<a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html</a>&gt;<br>
 &gt;     &lt;<a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html</a><br>
 &gt;     &lt;<a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html</a>&gt;&gt; \
but can&#39;t<br> &gt;     figure out what program to use, what command to run or \
what code to<br> &gt;     download to compile.   I tried every variation of commands \
such<br> &gt;     as   &quot;Qt<br>
&gt;     text-to-speech example&quot;, &quot;QtTextToSpeech example&quot; and many \
others<br> &gt;     without success, it always returns cnf. I googled to see what \
I<br> &gt;     might be<br>
&gt;     missing.   I looked in my setup software packages for relevant code<br>
&gt;     without success.<br>
&gt;     4.   The duplicate voices occur both with Okular and Kmouth.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;     On 10/25/21 12:25 AM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt; Gustav,<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; This sounds like a pretty tricky issue to find the cause of. Some<br>
&gt;     &gt; explanation of how it all fits together may help though. If \
you&#39;re<br> &gt;     &gt; already aware of this just ignore it, but it may help \
find the<br> &gt;     cause.<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; Speech-dispatcher itself is a daemon that has modules for various<br>
&gt;     &gt; synthesizers, espeak, festival, pico, etc. It is usually<br>
&gt;     configured so<br>
&gt;     &gt; one synthesizer is the default, but many can be set up to use for<br>
&gt;     &gt; example if the default doesn&#39;t support the wanted language a<br>
&gt;     fallback<br>
&gt;     &gt; synthesizer can be used.<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; Qt Text-to-speech is a library that kmouth, okular, plasma, etc.<br>
&gt;     use<br>
&gt;     &gt; to interact with speech-dispatcher on linux (and sapi on windows,<br>
&gt;     &gt; voiceover on mac, android tts on android, etc.)<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; Firefox if I remember correctly talks directly to speech-dispatcher<br>
&gt;     &gt; using libspeechd so isn&#39;t going through Qt&#39;s text-to-speech \
library.<br> &gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; Some things you could try to see if you can narrow it down:<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; 1. Find out which synthesizer speech-dispatcher is configured to<br>
&gt;     use<br>
&gt;     &gt; by default. If festival is not running it&#39;s likely espeak-ng.<br>
&gt;     spd-conf<br>
&gt;     &gt; or sending along or checking yourself your<br>
&gt;     &gt; ~/.configure/speech-dispatcher/*.conf files should say which one is<br>
&gt;     &gt; default.<br>
&gt;     &gt; 2. If spd-say &quot;Hello&quot; from a command line sounds ok and \
doesn&#39;t<br> &gt;     &gt; duplicate text then speech-dispatcher is not the \
problem.<br> &gt;     &gt; 3. Run Qt text-to-speech example<br>
&gt;     &gt; <a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html</a><br>
 &gt;     &lt;<a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html</a>&gt;<br>
 &gt;     &gt; &lt;<a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html</a><br>
 &gt;     &lt;<a href="https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtspeech-hello-speak-example.html</a>&gt;&gt; \
&lt;-- may<br> &gt;     &gt; need to build from source, unless your distribution \
happens to<br> &gt;     have a<br>
&gt;     &gt; package for it. If audio is duplicated when using that then the<br>
&gt;     &gt; problem is in Qt text-to-speech library itself.<br>
&gt;     &gt; 4. If the example sounds fine, then the problem is either in<br>
&gt;     okular&#39;s<br>
&gt;     &gt; use of QTextToSpeech library (i.e. maybe it&#39;s trying to run 2 \
audio<br> &gt;     &gt; jobs at the same time possibly?)<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; Hope that helps narrow it down a bit.<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; thanks,<br>
&gt;     &gt; Jeremy<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt; On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 6:49 AM Gustav Degreef<br>
&gt;     &lt;<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt; &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; \
wrote:<br> &gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        Unfortunately Festival does not seem the culprit for the<br>
&gt;     double<br>
&gt;     &gt;        stream<br>
&gt;     &gt;        in either Kmouth or Okular. When I run top (without<br>
&gt;     Kmouth or Okular<br>
&gt;     &gt;        running) festival is not running in either case.   When<br>
&gt;     I try to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        read a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        pdf with Okular or when trying to speak out text with<br>
&gt;     Kmouth, top<br>
&gt;     &gt;        DOES<br>
&gt;     &gt;        NOT show Festival running in either case.   In all<br>
&gt;     these cases<br>
&gt;     &gt;        espeak is<br>
&gt;     &gt;        running, as seen in top.   When Okular and Kmouth are<br>
&gt;     putting out<br>
&gt;     &gt;        the two<br>
&gt;     &gt;        simultaneous voices, and I KILL the process for espeak,<br>
&gt;     ALL speech<br>
&gt;     &gt;        output stops.     I have no idea of how to track this<br>
&gt;     down<br>
&gt;     &gt;        further.   The<br>
&gt;     &gt;        problem never happens with Jovie or Speak Aloud plugin in<br>
&gt;     Firefox.Â<br>
&gt;     &gt;        Thanks,   Gustav.<br>
&gt;     &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        On 10/22/21 8:51 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; I bet kmouth runs festival by default.  Festival has \
many<br> &gt;     &gt;        voices from many<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; countries available to use.   So you don&#39;t want to \
be<br> &gt;     running<br>
&gt;     &gt;        espeak or you<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; don&#39;t want to be running festival-server one or the<br>
&gt;     other. <br>
&gt;     &gt;        That should<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; solve that problem.   Somewhere in kmouth<br>
&gt;     configuration it starts up<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; festival-server and commenting that line out ought to<br>
&gt;     leave you with<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; espeak or espeak-ng whichever is on your machine.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; It could be kmouth can be used by those that have never<br>
&gt;     seen in<br>
&gt;     &gt;        this life.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; I downloaded that redcore distro and can try installing<br>
&gt;     it and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        see how far<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; I don&#39;t get.   I did software testing for the \
federal<br> &gt;     government<br>
&gt;     &gt;        before<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; retiring so this shouldn&#39;t be too bad and have \
several<br> &gt;     ssd and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        sata disks<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; I can use.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt; On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; Jeremy, thanks for your detailed and thoughtful<br>
&gt;     reply.   I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        really appreciate<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; your taking this seriously.    I tried \
Kmouth<br> &gt;     again (after<br>
&gt;     &gt;        years).   It has:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; 1)   the same problem as Okular.   It<br>
&gt;     speaks the text in<br>
&gt;     &gt;        two simultaneous<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; streams (one espeak and the second a Scottish \
sounding<br> &gt;     voice)<br>
&gt;     &gt;        of the same text<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; so the output is incomprehensible.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; 2) no way to stop the speech output.   No \
pause<br> &gt;     and no resume.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; 3)   It opens a separate window, that I have \
to<br> &gt;     look for it<br>
&gt;     &gt;        on the taskbar -<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; when it is in the background.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; 4) after bringing back the window (when I am in \
another<br> &gt;     &gt;        application),   I have<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; to   navigate to the start button (or other<br>
&gt;     button),   this<br>
&gt;     &gt;        is cumbersome.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; 3) and 4) might seem trivial for a fully sighted<br>
&gt;     person, but<br>
&gt;     &gt;        for the partially<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; sighted, it causes delay and frustration.   \
A<br> &gt;     typical task I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        do is writing<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; substantial documents and then I have Jovie read \
back<br> &gt;     to me the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        sentences,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; paragraphs or pages that I&#39;ve written (many times \
in a<br> &gt;     &gt;        sitting).     This helps<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; in revising and editing any significant work.   \
The<br> &gt;     &gt;        difference in functionality<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; between Jovie and Kmouth for this task (and other<br>
&gt;     tasks) are<br>
&gt;     &gt;        pretty huge.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; If you can give Kmouth the same functionality and \
ease<br> &gt;     of use<br>
&gt;     &gt;        of Jovie,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; great.   I appreciate your efforts, Gustav<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt; On 10/22/21 3:43 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; Gustav, Simon,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; Thank you so much for the insight. I definitely \
hadn&#39;t<br> &gt;     &gt;        considered those<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; cases. I&#39;ll give it some thought today and \
decide one<br> &gt;     of the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        following to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; remedy the situation.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; 1. Add the missing features and functionality to \
KMouth.<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; 2. Revive Jovie and clean it up quite a \
bit since it<br> &gt;     has bit<br>
&gt;     &gt;        rotted<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; significantly in the past 5 years or so.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m leaning towards 1 now since KMouth needs \
some<br> &gt;     love and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        attention anyway.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; If we go that direction KMouth would need the \
following<br> &gt;     &gt;        features to be<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; feature complete with the use cases described \
above.<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; a) A queue of what will be spoken as well as \
control<br> &gt;     over the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        queue to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; remove entries, etc.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; b) Voice settings to be able to switch between \
voices<br> &gt;     quickly.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; c) A tray icon and/or more shortcut keys to be \
able<br> &gt;     to speak,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        play, stop,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; pause, etc. like Jovie had.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; d) Speak clipboard contents.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; for b I really didn&#39;t like that Jovie had \
voice<br> &gt;     settings that<br>
&gt;     &gt;        were separate<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; from Speech-Dispatcher&#39;s settings. In my mind \
we<br> &gt;     should be<br>
&gt;     &gt;        able to control<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; what voice settings (language, volume, pitch, \
etc.)<br> &gt;     directly<br>
&gt;     &gt;        by manipulating<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; speech-dispatcher configuration. But for that to \
work the<br> &gt;     &gt;        configuration gui<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; would need to directly manipulate \
speech-dispatcher&#39;s<br> &gt;     .conf<br>
&gt;     &gt;        files and have a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; way to tell it to reload them when we change \
them.<br> &gt;     I&#39;m not<br>
&gt;     &gt;        sure if that&#39;s<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; already implemented in speech-dispatcher itself \
yet<br> &gt;     or not. If<br>
&gt;     &gt;        not it<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; shouldn&#39;t be too tricky to add though. The \
other<br> &gt;     items should<br>
&gt;     &gt;        be pretty<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; straightforward.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; thanks,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; Jeremy<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 4:50 AM Gustav Degreef<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &lt;<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br> \
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt; \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;     &gt;       \
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Thank you Jeremy for \
the opportunity to<br> &gt;     address this<br>
&gt;     &gt;        directly.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   In my opinion, Jovie/jovie placement \
is<br> &gt;     indispensable<br>
&gt;     &gt;        for those of us<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   who are partially sighted (not<br>
&gt;     blind).?   In my<br>
&gt;     &gt;        opinion, a screen<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   reader<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   (very useful for the blind) \
actually<br> &gt;     gets in the way<br>
&gt;     &gt;        for people<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   like me.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         ?  ?  Jovie does a \
very<br> &gt;     simple and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        straightforward task - it reads<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   the most<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   recent content of the<br>
&gt;     clipboard.? Jovie allows for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        selecting text<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   (and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   reading it out) in virtually all of \
the<br> &gt;     major<br>
&gt;     &gt;        applications/tasks (and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   virtually all others) that a \
primarily<br> &gt;     desktop user<br>
&gt;     &gt;        needs for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   every day<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         use.?   Those \
functions/tasks<br> &gt;     where? <br>
&gt;     &gt;        jovie/replacement is needed are:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   1) Text edit/read - in my case (imc) \
Kate<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   2) e-mail client - imc \
thunderbird<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   3) browser - imc \
Firefox<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   4) pdf reader - imc \
Okular<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   5) word processor - imc \
LibreOffice<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   6) text from \
&quot;program to user output&quot;<br> &gt;     (error messages,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        text boxes,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   command line output, etc).<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   7) miscellaneous programs not so \
often<br> &gt;     used.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   In my experience/opinion:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Kmouth is cumbersome and unwieldy \
and<br> &gt;     requires too<br>
&gt;     &gt;        many steps.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   using the command line adds \
several<br> &gt;     steps that disturb<br>
&gt;     &gt;        the flow of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   work,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   it is not simple to have to \
switch<br> &gt;     windows and then<br>
&gt;     &gt;        have to type a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   command.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Indispensable (for partially \
sighted)<br> &gt;     aspects of Jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        or Jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   replacement:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   1) SIMPLE interface with as few \
clicks<br> &gt;     or steps or<br>
&gt;     &gt;        commands to get<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   speech output. - ideal use is \
with<br> &gt;     mouse or keyboard<br>
&gt;     &gt;        shortcut.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Currently<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   jovie takes three simple steps \
with<br> &gt;     mouse or keyboard<br>
&gt;     &gt;        shortcut - text<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         select, text copy,?   then<br>
&gt;     start/etc. speech output.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   2) being able to select all or \
ONLY<br> &gt;     part of a piece of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        text - with<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   mouse or shortcut.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   3) Easily start/stop and \
pause/resume<br> &gt;     speech output<br>
&gt;     &gt;        with mouse or<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   shortcut.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   4) Sits in system tray or \
functions<br> &gt;     from menu that<br>
&gt;     &gt;        appears on right<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   click of mouse (or keyboard \
shortcut).<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   There are currently add ons to \
programs<br> &gt;     that COULD<br>
&gt;     &gt;        fulfill most of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   these<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         requirements,?  however they \
do<br> &gt;     not all work well:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   1) ) Kate - no plugin, no built \
in<br> &gt;     function for tts.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   2) Thunderbird - Read Aloud \
plugin:<br> &gt;     very limited, it<br>
&gt;     &gt;        reads the ENTIRE<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   message with some headers. Does \
not<br> &gt;     allow for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        selecting a portion<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   of the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   text, can&#39;t stop, can&#39;t<br>
&gt;     pause/resume.?   Totally<br>
&gt;     &gt;        inadequate for a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   bottom<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   posted list message.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   3) Firefox - Read Aloud \
plugin:?ÂÂ<br> &gt;     works quite well,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        has all needed<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   functions.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   4) Okular - nice built in tts \
function,<br> &gt;     easy to select<br>
&gt;     &gt;        text, right<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   click<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         mouse to output speech.?  <br>
&gt;     However it outputs (at<br>
&gt;     &gt;        least on<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   opensuse) two<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   simultaneous speech streams (of \
the<br> &gt;     same text) with<br>
&gt;     &gt;        different<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   voices and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   it is impossible to understand.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   5) LibreOffice - has a tts plugin \
but<br> &gt;     it is cumbersome<br>
&gt;     &gt;        and adds<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   several<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         steps.?   It has a nice \
feature<br> &gt;     to output the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        contents of the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   clipboard<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   but it requires too many steps.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   6) program to user output - kmouth \
or<br> &gt;     command line<br>
&gt;     &gt;        seem the only<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   alternative to Jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   7) miscellaneous programs (with \
no<br> &gt;     plugins or built in<br>
&gt;     &gt;        tts)? -<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   same as 6)<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   It seems clear that a lot of \
developers<br> &gt;     are aware/are<br>
&gt;     &gt;        working on<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   tts for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   various programs, and that is \
very<br> &gt;     encouraging and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        great. However,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   it is<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   a time of great transition and the \
tts<br> &gt;     functions<br>
&gt;     &gt;        (without Jovie) are<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   quite inadequate for the \
partially<br> &gt;     sighted (for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        example, from macular<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   degeneration which is fairly \
common).<br> &gt;     Thanks, Gustav.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   On 10/22/21 1:56 AM, Jeremy Whiting \
wrote:<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; Hello all,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; I&#39;ve been quietly watching \
this<br> &gt;     conversation for a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        bit but need to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; chime in here. I&#39;m the one \
that<br> &gt;     changed the name<br>
&gt;     &gt;        from ktts to Jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; many years ago. Then deprecated \
Jovie<br> &gt;     itself when<br>
&gt;     &gt;        QtSpeech came<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   about.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; I&#39;m very curious about what \
use cases<br> &gt;     there still<br>
&gt;     &gt;        are for Jovie.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; Shortly before the name change \
from<br> &gt;     ktts to Jovie it was<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   drastically<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; changed to just be a gui on top \
of<br> &gt;     &gt;        Speech-Dispatcher. QtSpeech as a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; library does the same thing but \
has<br> &gt;     no gui, is only<br>
&gt;     &gt;        useful from<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; applications. My question is \
what do<br> &gt;     you use Jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        for exactly?<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Here<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; are the ways replacements \
using<br> &gt;     QtSpeech &quot;Just Work&quot;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        in my mind.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; Want to hear notifications from \
any<br> &gt;     KDE application<br>
&gt;     &gt;        like Jovie/ktts<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; did? Turn that on in the<br>
&gt;     application&#39;s notifications<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   configuration. It<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; uses QtSpeech to speak the<br>
&gt;     notification, title,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        message or both.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Just<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; like it did previously with \
ktts/jovie.<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; Want to read a \
document out loud? Use<br> &gt;     Okular&#39;s<br>
&gt;     &gt;        QtSpeech actions in<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; it&#39;s menu. It sends either \
the<br> &gt;     selected text or the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        current page<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;   ��     to be<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; spoken to Speech-Dispatcher \
directly<br> &gt;     for listening<br>
&gt;     &gt;        to the document.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; Want to read out loud a web \
article<br> &gt;     of some kind?<br>
&gt;     &gt;        Use Firefox&#39;s tts<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; features to read it out to you. \
It<br> &gt;     doesn&#39;t use<br>
&gt;     &gt;        QtSpeech, but<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   interacts<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; with speech-dispatcher directly \
if I<br> &gt;     recall correctly.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; Want to type some text and hear \
it<br> &gt;     spoken? This can<br>
&gt;     &gt;        be done in a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; number of ways. 1. spd-say \
command<br> &gt;     line tool. 2.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        espeak or<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   espeak-ng<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; or festival, or pico or any \
other tts<br> &gt;     directly from<br>
&gt;     &gt;        command<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   line. 3.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; Use KMouth if you prefer to have \
a<br> &gt;     gui. KMouth uses<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   speech-dispatcher<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; directly if I recall correctly \
and<br> &gt;     provides a nice<br>
&gt;     &gt;        gui with a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; customizable dictionary of \
commonly<br> &gt;     used words, etc.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; With the above, what is the use \
of<br> &gt;     Jovie anymore? If<br>
&gt;     &gt;        there&#39;s a use<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; case that isn&#39;t covered by \
the above<br> &gt;     we can<br>
&gt;     &gt;        certainly revive<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Jovie and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; fill the gap if there is one, \
but in<br> &gt;     my mind the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        above uses are<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; already covered.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; thanks,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; Jeremy Whiting<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt; On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 4:15 PM \
Jude<br> &gt;     DaShiell<br>
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href="mailto:jdashiel@panix.com" target="_blank">jdashiel@panix.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt;  \
&gt;        &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:jdashiel@panix.com" \
target="_blank">jdashiel@panix.com</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:jdashiel@panix.com" \
target="_blank">jdashiel@panix.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;     &gt;   \
&gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  Quite<br> &gt;     agree with you on that<br>
&gt;     &gt;        score.???   A new version of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   redcore<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
Linux is<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  \
<br> &gt;     ?  available for download and it has a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        very current kernel<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   and its<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
default<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  desktop<br> &gt;     is kde plasma.???   Maybe<br>
&gt;     &gt;        one thing jovie might do<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   when<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
started<br> &gt;     up is<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
to<br> &gt;     locate something like espeak-ng<br>
&gt;     &gt;        or espeak or<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   speech-dispatcher and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
start<br> &gt;     those up first then come up on<br>
&gt;     &gt;        its own.??? If it finds<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  speech-dispatcher maybe remind the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        user to run spd-conf<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   to get<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  speech-dispatcher configured<br>
&gt;     &gt;        correctly but could generate<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   a default<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  spd.conf file and let the user know<br>
&gt;     &gt;        that it&#39;s there and maybe<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
reconfigure<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  if<br> &gt;     problems arise.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  On \
Thu,<br> &gt;     21 Oct 2021, Gustav Degreef<br>
&gt;     &gt;        wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &gt;<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     Festival was not much of an<br>
&gt;     &gt;        improvement in voice<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   quality.???<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  Embrola, as you<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; say,<br> &gt;     was too difficult to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        configure.???   I&#39;ll check out<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Fenrir,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
and<br> &gt;     tdsr but the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; voice<br> &gt;     quality is TOTALLY secondary<br>
&gt;     &gt;        - a smoothly working<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  jovie/espeak (or<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     equivalent) is quite adequate to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        get things done.???Â<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Which in<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
theend<br> &gt;     is really<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; the<br> &gt;     important thing. Gustav<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt; On<br> &gt;     10/21/21 1:56 PM, Jude DaShiell<br>
&gt;     &gt;        wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;<br> &gt;     fenrir and tdsr are a couple<br>
&gt;     &gt;        more to check out and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   mbrola and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  festival can<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;<br> &gt;     maybe help the human speech<br>
&gt;     &gt;        situation though not easily<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
configured.<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;  \
      &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt; On<br> &gt;     Thu, 21 Oct \
2021, Gustav<br> &gt;     &gt;        Degreef wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     Actually, Jovie replaced ktts<br>
&gt;     &gt;        quite some years ago.????<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  Qtspeech is supposed<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt; to<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt; be<br> &gt;     a partial replacement, but<br>
&gt;     &gt;        there is no frontend<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   program to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
manage the<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ? \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     output of speechdispatcher<br>
&gt;     &gt;        (like Jovie). ??? e-speak<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   works<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
fine<br> &gt;     for me, but<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     bothers everyne else who<br>
&gt;     &gt;        listens to my computer<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   outptut (my<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
partner and<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     friends).????  e-speak is<br>
&gt;     &gt;        clear enough, just does<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   not sound<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
like a<br> &gt;     person.???<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt; Good,<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     I&#39;ll look into espeak-ng,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        thanks! Gustav<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt; On<br> &gt;     10/21/21 11:04 AM, Jude<br>
&gt;     &gt;        DaShiell wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I<br> &gt;     had read somewhere ktts was<br>
&gt;     &gt;        supposed to have replaced<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  jovie.???   Also,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     espeak-ng is a successor to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        espeak.???   It&#39;s good<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   you got any<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  of \
this<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     working.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;      \
   &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     ---------- \
Forwarded message<br> &gt;     &gt;        ---------- Date: Thu,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   21 Oct<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
2021<br> &gt;     04:36:27<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     From: Gustav Degreef<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &lt;<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br> \
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a><br> &gt;     \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt; &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a><br> &gt;     \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br> &gt;     ?  \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br> \
&gt;     &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   To: Simion<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   \
   &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &lt;<a \
href="mailto:simion314@gmail.com" target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a> \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:simion314@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &lt;mailto:<a \
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&gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:simion314@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
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target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:simion314@gmail.com" target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br> \
&gt;     &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:simion314@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:simion314@gmail.com" target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> \
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target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:simion314@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">simion314@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;,<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?<br> &gt;     <a \
href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a> \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
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&gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
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&gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
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&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
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target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a>&gt;<br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a><br> &gt;     &lt;mailto:<a \
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&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br> &gt;     ?  Subject: \
Re: Is there a<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     project that is jovie \
successor?<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ? \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     Hi Simion,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     Thanks for your input and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        effort.?????  ?????   I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   carefuly looked<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
over<br> &gt;     everything<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; you<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     mentioned, \
including the<br> &gt;     &gt;        script but it has taken me<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   a long<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?   ?ÂÂ<br>
&gt;     ?  time.?????  ?????   I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; only<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     have a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     rudimentary??????   knowledge of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â <br>
&gt;     scripts.?????  ?????  ?????   So<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  modifying or writing<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     scripts<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     is beyond<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     my current possibility,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        especially with my vision<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?   ?ÂÂ<br>
&gt;     ?  problems.?????  ?????   But it<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     really<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     helped me to look everything<br>
&gt;     &gt;        over.?????  ?????   I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   decided the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
best<br> &gt;     way was to go<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; back<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; to<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> \
&gt;     trying to install it from the<br> &gt;     &gt;        opensuse<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;        repos.?????  ?????   I \
had<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  failed<br> &gt;     the first<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     time and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     created a great confusion in<br>
&gt;     &gt;        my setup. But it was a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   spare<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&quot;test&quot;<br> &gt;     setup on<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; a<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     separate<br>
&gt;     &gt;        partition.?????  ????? I spent a lot of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   time cleaning<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  up \
the<br> &gt;     repos,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     updating and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     cleaning up. And now Jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        works on opensuse<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;        15.3!?????  ?????<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
The<br> &gt;     packages come<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; from<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     unofficial repos, \
but someone<br> &gt;     &gt;        else with the tech<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   knowhow has<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
put it<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     together.?????  ?<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I<br> &gt;     am &quot;forced&quot; to upgrade soon,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        since the opensuse<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;   ��     15.2 EOL<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
is<br> &gt;     soon.?????  ????<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; But<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; now I<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> \
&gt;     can move forward hopefully for<br> &gt;     &gt;        another 1.5 \
years,<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   the life<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  of \
15.3<br> &gt;     until a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     better solution<br>
&gt;     &gt;        comes.?????  ?????   I hope you or<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   someone else<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
can<br> &gt;     help come up<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; with<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; a<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> \
&gt;     replacement for<br> &gt;     &gt;        Jovie.?????  ?????   \
Thanks for your<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?   \
?ÂÂ<br> &gt;     ?  efforts.?????  ?????   Gustav.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     p.s. I&#39;m posting back on the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        list in case it may help<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
someone<br> &gt;     else.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     On 9/13/21 1:13 AM, Gustav<br>
&gt;     &gt;        Degreef wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     On 8/30/21 7:15 PM, Simion wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     Hi Gustav,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     I personally would try to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        compile it, if I am<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   unable I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
would<br> &gt;     try first a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     simple bash script, the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        issue with next script is<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   that is not<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     queuing????????????? the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        tasks so you can get 2<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   speakers at<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
the<br> &gt;     same time<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; or<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you<br> &gt;     &gt;    \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     can edit the script to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &quot;killall&quot; previous taks (so an<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  application that<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     runs<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     in background would be<br>
&gt;     &gt;        needed to improve the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   experience)<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     #! \
/bin/bash<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;       \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     xclip -out \
-selection<br> &gt;     &gt;        primary | xclip -in<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   -selection clipboard<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     xsel --clipboard | tr &quot;\n&quot; \
&quot;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &quot; | espeak<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     #end script<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     or maybe \
python or nodejs<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     I am tempted to write<br>
&gt;     &gt;        something to do some<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   cleanup on the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
input,<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     like when I want to read an<br>
&gt;     &gt;        entire reddit page of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   omments<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
would<br> &gt;     be nice<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; if<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I<br> &gt;     &gt;      \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     could????????????? clean it<br>
&gt;     &gt;        up?????????????Â<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   first and remove<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
all the<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &quot;reply/report<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     ...&quot; buttons labels<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     The reason I decided that in<br>
&gt;     &gt;        future I would use<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   espeak is<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
because<br> &gt;     in my<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     current configuration jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        uses speech<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   dispatcher and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
speech<br> &gt;     dispatcher<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     uses<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     espeak , Qt5 is a new extra<br>
&gt;     &gt;        layer so a new placed<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   that<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
could cause<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     problems<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     (but yes Qt5 would be nice<br>
&gt;     &gt;        to have if you plant<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   to write a<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
cross<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     operating<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     system desktop application).<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     I have no \
plans to upgrade<br> &gt;     &gt;        from my system<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?   ?ÂÂ<br>
&gt;     ?  soon,?????????????   maybe when I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     will<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     upgrade my computer or I am<br>
&gt;     &gt;        forced to upgrade.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     You probably need to install<br>
&gt;     &gt;        and configure<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   espeak, the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  language and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     speed,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     you can have a key bind<br>
&gt;     &gt;        to?????????????   run the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   script, you<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
can<br> &gt;     modify the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     script<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     to?????????????   add<br>
&gt;     &gt;        something like &quot;killall<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   espeak&quot; to stop<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
the<br> &gt;     previous<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     Sorry I \
can&#39;t help more.<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;? \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     Regards, Simion<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     Hi Simion,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     Thanks for \
taking the time<br> &gt;     &gt;        and for your effort.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     On 8/28/21 11:42 PM, Gustav<br>
&gt;     &gt;        Degreef wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi Simion,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks \
for your detailed<br> &gt;     &gt;        reply.?????????????   I use<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  opensuse leap 15.2<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; KDE<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; plasma 5.18.6, Qt 5.12.7.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        ?????????????   Jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   continues to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
work<br> &gt;     fine even<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; though<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it has been<br>
&gt;     &gt;        deprecated.?????????????   However,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   it no longer<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
works on<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; opensuse<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 15.3 and 15.2 end of life<br>
&gt;     &gt;        is in December this year.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
Someone<br> &gt;     has built<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; packages for Jovie on the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        Open Build Service of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Suse, but<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  I \
could not<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  \
?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; get<br>
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to \
install properly, I<br> &gt;     &gt;        think it&#39;s due to the Qt<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   changes,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  I \
got a<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; dependency<br>
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&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; mess.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I have \
been trying to find<br> &gt;     &gt;        a replacement for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Jovie for 3<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
years at<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; least,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; since it was clear it would<br>
&gt;     &gt;        no longer be<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?   ?ÂÂ<br>
&gt;     ?  maintained.?????????????   Read<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Aloud<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; is<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; a \
plugin for Firefox that<br> &gt;     &gt;        fills all the browser<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   needs.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  Thunderbird also<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; has<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; a Read Aloud plugin, but it<br>
&gt;     &gt;        only works for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   single emails<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
and top<br> &gt;     posted<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; replies, list messages,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        etc.?????????????   It<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   reads only<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
from top to<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; bottom<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; without being able to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        select only parts of the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  mail.??????????<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; LibreOffice<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; has a text to speech plugin<br>
&gt;     &gt;        that even reads the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   clipboard<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  contents, but<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; is \
cumbersome.????????????<br> &gt;     &gt;        Okular has a nice TTS<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   function,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
but it<br> &gt;     often<br>
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&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; starts<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; two different simultaneous<br>
&gt;     &gt;        but voices of the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   same text<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
which<br> &gt;     can&#39;t be<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; understood.????????????<br>
&gt;     &gt;        Sometimes id functions<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?   ?ÂÂ<br>
&gt;     ?  fine.?????????????   That is<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; where I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; use TTS the most, and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        periodically to read out error<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  messages, text<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; boxes<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; etc (for which Jovie is<br>
&gt;     &gt;        indispensable and for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   which I<br>
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don&#39;t<br> &gt;     have an<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; adequate<br>
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&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; substitute).<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Any<br>
&gt;     &gt;        suggestions????????????? Perhaps to compile<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Jovie from<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  a \
tar<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; binary??????????????   \
Or<br> &gt;     &gt;        are you seriously<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   thinking of<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
building a<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ? \
?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; replacement<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Jovie? Thanks, Gustav.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On \
8/26/21 12:01 PM, Simion<br> &gt;     &gt;        wrote:<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi, no problem ,<br>
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; btw \
my name is Simion no<br> &gt;     &gt;        Simon, don&#39;t worry it<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   is OK<br>
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just<br> &gt;     want to<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; mention<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; it to prevent issues like<br>
&gt;     &gt;        typos in emails<br>
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&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I \
still use Jovie, from my<br> &gt;     &gt;        fork with a few<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   crash fixes<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I have some scripts that I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        use directly espeak .<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I \
was not yet forced to<br> &gt;     &gt;        give up on Jovie but my<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  <br>
&gt;     ?  conclussion was to not<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; use<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Qt if I have to write my<br>
&gt;     &gt;        own replacement,<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; \
since I would not need<br> &gt;     &gt;        some crossplatform<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   solution I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
could<br> &gt;     probably<br>
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&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; make<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; a<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; \
python application , or<br> &gt;     &gt;        even something that<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   runs in the<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   \
Â<br> &gt;     browser????????????????????????????????????????????????<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  or \
nodejs.<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;   \
      &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But for now on my distro I<br> &gt;     &gt;        can \
still compile<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   jovie , I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
have a<br> &gt;     keyboard<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; multipmedia keys so my<br>
&gt;     &gt;        workflow is to copy<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   paste stuff<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
in<br> &gt;     clipboard<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; and<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; using my keys I can<br>
&gt;     &gt;        play/pause/resume. I still use<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
espeak<br> &gt;     as backend<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; with<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; voice speed set to max.<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     \
&gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> \
&gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 8/26/21 12:37 PM,<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
Gustav Degreef wrote:<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   \
&gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; \
Hello Simon,<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I saw your old message on<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
the accessibility<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  \
?   ?  &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â<br> &gt;     \
list.????????????????????????????????????????????????  I<br> &gt;     &gt;     \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  also have<br> &gt;     \
&gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> \
&gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; serious<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; eye<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   \
   &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt;<br> &gt;     \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; problems, though I am not<br> &gt;     &gt;        \
&gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  &gt; \
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   \
Â<br> &gt;     &gt;    <br>
&gt;       blind.????????????????????????????????????????????????  I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
have been<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?  \
?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; using<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Jovie<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for most of my computer<br>
&gt;     &gt;        time for years and I<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   am trying<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  to \
find a<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   \
?  &gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; replacement for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?   ?<br>
&gt;     &gt;    <br>
&gt;       ?  it.????????????????????????????????????????????????ÂÂ<br>
&gt;     In<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; my<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; situation a screen reader<br>
&gt;     &gt;        is not<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   \
Â<br> &gt;     suitable.???????????????????????????????????????????<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
Excuse<br> &gt;     me for<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; writing<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?  ?   ?  \
&gt;<br> &gt;     &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; you<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;         &gt;?   ?<br>
&gt;     &gt;    <br>
&gt;       ?  directly.????????????????????????????????????????????????<br>
&gt;     &gt;        &gt;&gt;&gt;Â   Â   Â   Can I ask<br>
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