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Subject: Re: How to configure Qtspeech
From: Jeremy Whiting <jpwhiting () kde ! org>
Date: 2019-09-18 14:27:36
Message-ID: CADWV2K4iWije_XubUA+N_Au9apDt18x-F5vm-nov=v1Aq3b_Rg () mail ! gmail ! com
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ktts is what jovie came from. It's much much older and does the same thing
(ktts just got renamed to jovie when I refactored ktts to use
speech-dispatcher instead of a bunch of it's own synthesizer modules).
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:24 PM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure what kits is. Gnome does not easily provide the functionality
> of Jovie. I don't want/need a screen reader, just text-to-speech
> capability from the clipboard, from selected text, etc. I've tried Orca
> on KDE and it's not simple. Gustav.
>
> On 9/17/19 9:31 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Has anyone tried ktts yet? Last time I read here, orca was recommended
> > until whichever fully operation screen reader kde upstream decided to
> > support became ready for prime time.
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Sep 2019, Gustav Degreef wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:52:33
> >> From: Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com>
> >> To: kde-accessibility@kde.org
> >> Subject: Re: How to configure Qtspeech
> >>
> >> Thanks Jeremy.
> >> I tried Kmouth and I had the same problem that I had with Okular.? I
> >> finally heard what the problem is.? There are two voices
> >> simultaneously.? One with an English accent which sounds like e-speak
> >> and the other simultaneously sounds like English with a foreign accent,
> >> something "Germanic". They are not perfectly in sync so I can hear one
> >> sort of alternating with the other.? I don't know where to begin to sort
> >> it out.? Thanks for taking the time, Gustav
> >>
> >> On 9/16/19 11:26 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:
> >>> Just did a quick check. It looks like kmouth does wrap QtSpeech. I'll
> >>> try it out tomorrow and see what it's lacking for your use case. Let
> >>> me know if you try it and find room for improvement also.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 9:24 PM Jeremy Whiting <jpwhiting@kde.org
> >>> <mailto:jpwhiting@kde.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Gustav,
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately QtSpeech by itself isn't going to solve the problem
> >>> you're trying to solve. QtSpeech is just a library that wraps
> >>> speech sythesizers. On linux it wraps speech-dispatcher itself
> >>> (which in turn has modules for various synthesizers like espeak-ng
> >>> and festival.) In order to achieve the functionality of Jovie we
> >>> need a gui?? or at a minimum a context menu entry/thing in plasma
> >>> to send text through QtSpeech. A short term solution would be to
> >>> use a terminal with spd-say command-line or if you prefer a gui
> >>> kmouth is an option. kmouth is a gui that you can type into and
> >>> have it speak. It used to use jovie to do so, but I think uses
> >>> QtSpeech (I'll check that in the morning, I know I had a branch of
> >>> kmouth that used QtSpeech at some point, not sure if it got
> >>> merged/released). For configuring speech-dispatcher you can edit
> >>> the config files by hand with a text editor or use the terminal
> >>> based spd-conf command to walk through setting a default
> >>> synthesizer and volumes, etc. At some point in the near future it
> >>> would be good to develop a system-settings kde control module for
> >>> speech-dispatcher itself to have a gui, but that's not more than
> >>> an idea in my head so far... Hope that helps.
> >>>
> >>> Wow, I really need to get some of these ideas implemented and out
> >>> of my head. They've been in there far too long. I appologize.
> >>>
> >>> thanks,
> >>> Jeremy
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:01 PM Gustav Degreef <gustav97@gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:gustav97@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I am a regular user, visually impaired, but not blind.?? I
> >>> need to be
> >>> able to select text in various apps and have it read out, I
> >>> don't need a
> >>> screen reader.?? Qtspeech seems to be the replacement for
> >>> Jovie which did
> >>> the job nicely before, even with it's limitations and not
> >>> great voices.
> >>>
> >>> But I can not find documentation for the regular user.?? How
> >>> to configure
> >>> Qtspeech??? How to change voices, etc.??? Is there a GUI like
> >>> with Jovie???
> >>> The only app on the desktop which seems to output voice by
> >>> Qtspeech it
> >>> is Okular.?? But the voice is garbled and very difficult to
> >>> understand.??
> >>> Where do I go to change the settings to fix that??? I have
> >>> searched over
> >>> and over again without success.?? Most of what I find seems for
> >>> developers, is old or is only descriptive.?? Any pointers to
> >>> where I can
> >>> look would be very much appreciated.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am using opensuse 15.0, kde plasma version 5.12.8,
> >>> frameworks 5.45.0,
> >>> Qt 5.9.4, kernel 4.12.14-lp150.12.70-default
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Gustav
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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<div dir="ltr">ktts is what jovie came from. It's much much older and does the \
same thing (ktts just got renamed to jovie when I refactored ktts to use \
speech-dispatcher instead of a bunch of it's own synthesizer \
modules).<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On \
Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:24 PM Gustav Degreef <<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com">gustav97@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Not sure what kits is. \
Gnome does not easily provide the functionality<br> of Jovie. I don't want/need \
a screen reader, just text-to-speech<br> capability from the clipboard, from selected \
text, etc. I've tried Orca<br> on KDE and it's not simple. Gustav.<br>
<br>
On 9/17/19 9:31 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:<br>
> Has anyone tried ktts yet? Last time I read here, orca was recommended<br>
> until whichever fully operation screen reader kde upstream decided to<br>
> support became ready for prime time.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019, Gustav Degreef wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:52:33<br>
>> From: Gustav Degreef <<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>><br> >> To: <a \
href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org" \
target="_blank">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a><br> >> Subject: Re: How to \
configure Qtspeech<br> >><br>
>> Thanks Jeremy.<br>
>> I tried Kmouth and I had the same problem that I had with Okular.? I<br>
>> finally heard what the problem is.? There are two voices<br>
>> simultaneously.? One with an English accent which sounds like e-speak<br>
>> and the other simultaneously sounds like English with a foreign accent,<br>
>> something "Germanic". They are not perfectly in sync so I can hear \
one<br> >> sort of alternating with the other.? I don't know where to begin \
to sort<br> >> it out.? Thanks for taking the time, Gustav<br>
>><br>
>> On 9/16/19 11:26 PM, Jeremy Whiting wrote:<br>
>>> Just did a quick check. It looks like kmouth does wrap QtSpeech. \
I'll<br> >>> try it out tomorrow and see what it's lacking for your \
use case. Let<br> >>> me know if you try it and find room for improvement \
also.<br> >>><br>
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 9:24 PM Jeremy Whiting <<a \
href="mailto:jpwhiting@kde.org" target="_blank">jpwhiting@kde.org</a><br> \
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jpwhiting@kde.org" \
target="_blank">jpwhiting@kde.org</a>>> wrote:<br> >>><br>
>>> Hello Gustav,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Unfortunately QtSpeech by itself isn't going to solve the \
problem<br> >>> you're trying to solve. QtSpeech is just a \
library that wraps<br> >>> speech sythesizers. On linux it wraps \
speech-dispatcher itself<br> >>> (which in turn has modules for \
various synthesizers like espeak-ng<br> >>> and festival.) In order \
to achieve the functionality of Jovie we<br> >>> need a gui?? or at a \
minimum a context menu entry/thing in plasma<br> >>> to send text \
through QtSpeech. A short term solution would be to<br> >>> use a \
terminal with spd-say command-line or if you prefer a gui<br> >>> \
kmouth is an option. kmouth is a gui that you can type into and<br> >>> \
have it speak. It used to use jovie to do so, but I think uses<br> >>> \
QtSpeech (I'll check that in the morning, I know I had a branch of<br> \
>>> kmouth that used QtSpeech at some point, not sure if it got<br> \
>>> merged/released). For configuring speech-dispatcher you can \
edit<br> >>> the config files by hand with a text editor or use the \
terminal<br> >>> based spd-conf command to walk through setting a \
default<br> >>> synthesizer and volumes, etc. At some point in the \
near future it<br> >>> would be good to develop a system-settings kde \
control module for<br> >>> speech-dispatcher itself to have a gui, \
but that's not more than<br> >>> an idea in my head so far... \
Hope that helps.<br> >>><br>
>>> Wow, I really need to get some of these ideas implemented and \
out<br> >>> of my head. They've been in there far too long. I \
appologize.<br> >>><br>
>>> thanks,<br>
>>> Jeremy<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:01 PM Gustav Degreef <<a \
href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a><br> \
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gustav97@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gustav97@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br> >>><br>
>>> Hello,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I am a regular user, visually impaired, but not blind.?? \
I<br> >>> need to be<br>
>>> able to select text in various apps and have it read out, \
I<br> >>> don't need a<br>
>>> screen reader.?? Qtspeech seems to be the replacement \
for<br> >>> Jovie which did<br>
>>> the job nicely before, even with it's limitations and \
not<br> >>> great voices.<br>
>>><br>
>>> But I can not find documentation for the regular user.?? \
How<br> >>> to configure<br>
>>> Qtspeech??? How to change voices, etc.??? Is there a GUI \
like<br> >>> with Jovie???<br>
>>> The only app on the desktop which seems to output voice \
by<br> >>> Qtspeech it<br>
>>> is Okular.?? But the voice is garbled and very difficult \
to<br> >>> understand.??<br>
>>> Where do I go to change the settings to fix that??? I \
have<br> >>> searched over<br>
>>> and over again without success.?? Most of what I find seems \
for<br> >>> developers, is old or is only descriptive.?? Any \
pointers to<br> >>> where I can<br>
>>> look would be very much appreciated.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I am using opensuse 15.0, kde plasma version 5.12.8,<br>
>>> frameworks 5.45.0,<br>
>>> Qt 5.9.4, kernel 4.12.14-lp150.12.70-default<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks, Gustav<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
<br>
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