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Subject: RE: KDE vs. Debian GPL-statements (Fwd: Re: proposal of a paragraph
From: "Sam BC" <sambc () nights ! force9 ! co ! uk>
Date: 2000-06-18 22:16:00
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the problem is, I gather[1], to do with two things:
Firstly, it is not free (gratis) for all purposes
Secondly, people do not (I believe) have freedom over altered versions...
not like GPL...
The first is a bigger problem...
SamBC
[1] I could be wrong
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kde-request@lists.netcentral.net
> [mailto:kde-request@lists.netcentral.net]On Behalf Of Timothy R. Butler
> Sent: 18 June 2000 21:23
> To: KDE general mailing list
> Subject: RE: KDE vs. Debian GPL-statements (Fwd: Re: proposal of a
> paragraph
>
>
> I need to study the QPL I guess, but what is so incompatible with it, and
> not, say, the GPL and the X license?
>
> -Tim
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kde-request@lists.netcentral.net
> > [mailto:kde-request@lists.netcentral.net]On Behalf Of Rainer Dorsch
> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 2:48 PM
> > To: KDE general mailing list
> > Subject: Re: KDE vs. Debian GPL-statements (Fwd: Re: proposal of a
> > paragraph
> >
> >
> >
> > That is the big point! It was also discussed on slashdot.
> >
> > That means a licanse change according to this 3000$ reward would
> > improve the
> > situation of KDE only somewhat, but no KDE GPLed code must be
> > used within KDE.
> > So the commonplace reuse of third party open source code is not possible
> > within the KDE project. So building a gimp version with a QT
> interface is
> > impossible, if not all gimp developpers agree (they obviously did
> > not intend
> > to link against QT).
> >
> > The ultimate solution resolving all problems between KDE and
> > Debian would be
> > to make QPL compatible to the GPL. The other alternative is
> using a GPLed
> > toolkit like GTK. Taking into account the effort required and the
> > fact that a
> > numbe of KDE developers are employed by Troll makes the first
> > alternative much
> > more attractive.
> >
> > But this is known for a while now and sadly nothing happens. So
> > bashing Debian
> > is unjustified, bashing KDE is unjustified, bashing Troll would
> > be at least an
> > option.
> >
> > Rainer.
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've contacted RMS on the issue of the GPL-conflict in KDE. As
> > I interpret
> > > the first paragraph in his answer it should be ok for all
> Code that was
> > > originated in the KDE project, because the authors did intend
> > to link against
> > > Qt. Problematic may be all the code outside of it like the
> > ghostview code in
> > > kghostview. One had to check the licenses of these code parts to allow
> > > Qt-linkage.
> > >
> > > I believe KDE is not the only project which might have such
> > problems and it
> > > will probably become even trickier the more and the more
> > complex software
> > > will appear as free software/open source. I think we have to
> > find an easy
> > > _and_ good solution for that, how long it will ever take....
> > >
> > > Konrad
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> > > Subject: Re: proposal of a paragraph of GPL v.3
> > > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:43:13 -0600 (MDT)
> > > From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> > >
> > >
> > > Debian seems to state that it might be a violation of
> > plain, unmodified
> > > GPL to link against Qt.
> > >
> > > That is true. However, if the authors of the program clearly intended
> > > it to be linked against Qt, I would say they have given some kind of
> > > implicit permission for people to do that.
> > >
> > > Following common practice of all
> > > other GPL'ed project it seems to be ok to link even against
> > proprietary
> > > libc-versions.
> > >
> > > The GPL explicitly gives permission for this narrow exception.
> > >
> > > My proposal is to add a section to GPL which clearifies how term
> > > "modification" should be threated. It should just express
> > common practice:
> > > "linking and using a GPL'ed program/lib from a non-GPL'ed
> > one is prohibited,
> > > but using a library of any license from a GPL'ed
> program/lib is ok".
> > >
> > > This would introduce a giant loophole. For example, suppose you want
> > > to make a proprietary extension in GCC. So you make your code (or the
> > > guts of it) into a library and invoke this exception. No way!
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