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Subject:    RE: IE5 for Linux?
From:       "Timothy R. Butler" <kde () uninetsolutions ! com>
Date:       2000-03-14 23:17:59
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Hi Jens,
  I think people like Microsoft looking "evil", but while many companies may
seem "evil", I think there are few truly "evil" companies. They might do
evil things, might create evil software, but most aren't really evil (evil
is hackers, virus creators, etc.). Thus, I doubt that Microsoft has only
evil intents with Internet Explorer (I'm sure they want to destroy everyone,
but tell me - didn't Netscape also, before they had major competition?).
  Internet Explorer is also more of a joy to program for, as a web developer
sometime I just forget a closing table tag (!), and people can still see it
on Internet Explorer. MSIE also was the first to support CSS, and other
tools for perfecting the look of a page (such as LEFTMARGIN & TOPMARGIN).

  -Tim

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: kde-request@lists.netcentral.net
> [mailto:kde-request@lists.netcentral.net]On Behalf Of Jens Benecke
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:04 PM
> To: KDE general mailing list
> Subject: Re: IE5 for Linux?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:18:13PM +0100, Alessandro Bottoni wrote:
>
> > I just joined the list and immediately I found this surprising message
> > (see below).  Is there MS IE50 for Linux?!!  I was convinced that Bill
> > would have not released its "jewel" (OK, OK, we know...) for this
> > platform, given that MS consider Linux one of the most dangerous
> > competitors for Windows (see Halloween document)...  Where can
> I find it?
> > (just curious...)
>
> > > 	http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/Guy/Guy1.html
>
> PLEASE read this text. I know IE is cool and so on, but, without any
> religious fanatism, it's used as a weapon by Microsoft to
>
> 	- lock people on IE by using a HTML renderer that displays only
> 	  correctly if you write your HTML the WRONG way (so that other
> 	  browsers display shit)
> 	  Did you notice that IE is the ONLY(!) browser where you can NOT
> 	  select an absolute base font size for your viewing? That's one of
> 	  the tricks - IE users have to do it in the HTML code, which is
> 	  actually against W3C standards.
>
> 	- and in the long term, destroy the free software foundation of the
> 	  internet, and I actually doubt they've realized what they are
> 	  doing there.
>
> The internet _consists_ of free software. Microsofts market share of web
> servers is at about 20%, FALLING. Apache has 70%, RISING. That's only
> the web. Think DNS. Does Microsoft have a DNS service that works? They
> don't, at least not in Windows 2000 (or IIS5).  Add that ActiveDirectory
> depends on DNS and I think Microsoft actually is too blind to see that
> they, too are dependant on open source projects (bind, named, ...).
>
> By FORCING people on the internet to use a non-free product, all the
> programs that do the "dirty work" will, in the long term, be hurt because
> the free foundation of the Web is destroyed.
>
>
>
> </rant>
>
> Sorry. But I think not using IE is worth the effort. The simplest way of
> doing things is not always the best - otherwise, you'd probably be using
> Windows, anyway, wouldn't you.
>
>
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> }
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