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List:       kde
Subject:    Re: A couple of kde-related problems
From:       Jim Howarth <jhowarth () multiboard ! com>
Date:       1999-07-07 1:24:08
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Oh for crying out loud.  Will you two give it up...  If you want to use
RPM's go for it...  Don't bug those of us who like to tweak our systems to
our hardware and our needs.  Use whatever works for you.  Personally, I
like the idea of a package that would just install the binaries on my
system so I don't have to spend 3 hours compiling the whole KDE system.
But RPM just doesn't do it for me.  I dunno maybe it has to do with the
fact that it made all of my directories r--r--r--  whenever I ran it.  I
followed the instructions to the letter but alas...  it buggered things
up.  I'm sure it works wonderfully under RedHat.  But who cares..  why
waste bandwidth... with childish bickering.

Jim

On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, George Hademenos wrote:

> Albert this is the problem indeed....the people are already learning about the -i command
> to instantly install usable binaries with package managers and with KDE tools and GNOME
> tools they no longer need us.....Our great programmers have taken the very complex issues
> and reduced them to simplicity so that novices can be up and running in minutes without
> us....and they have done all this for free for the entire world....how will i ever sell
> my 100000 page boring, technical, and obfuscating manuals to the general public once they
> find out how easy it is to fire up KDE or GNOME and get everything they want to do done
> very quickly and very easily. and not only this but it is all free and available to
> everyone rich or poor.  I once tried to explain the difference between a fine-grained and
> a course-grained kernel to an ISP and they responded: I am not going to get into
> Operating System Theory....I don't need it....I can do everything I want with GNOME and
> KDE and a free office.....What do you think about this?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Albert Wagner wrote:
> 
> > George Hademenos wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I have several Linux computers and I have built many versions of many tarballs
> > > on top of each other and never once had a problem getting along without a package
> > > manager.....they are not needed...they only serve to restrict the free flow and
> > > exchange of intellectual ideas.....for example people who see RPMs think they need
> > > to get a RedHat system to use them or people who see .deb files think they need to
> > > get a Debian system to use them...this is all crap ....and people should know they
> > > can do anything they want without package managers....tarballs are
> > > sufficient......the public should not be tricked into buying RedHat or Debian just
> > > because they see .RPM or .deb files that they want to use.....they should know that
> > > they can build their own operating system for free from scratch with simply tarballs
> > > even if it might take them 5 years to do it.
> > >
> >
> > George, your don't NEED anything.  Sure, you don't NEED a package
> > manager.  You don't even NEED tar.  You don't NEED compilers or
> > assemblers.  Actually, you don't NEED Linux or computers.  But depending
> > on what you want to do and how quick you want to do it some things are
> > damned convenient.  What the world doesn't need is some high priest of
> > the Esoteric and Narrow, afraid that technology will devalue his hard
> > won skills, ossifying into a luddite, and fighting the very growth and
> > inovation that at one time, long ago, built a fire in his belly.  Don't
> > lose your nerve now.  You are intelligent and disciplined or you would
> > not have learned unix.  Quit bitching and teach what you know. There is
> > a big world out there that needs the power and stability of Linux to do
> > serious work but if they have to solve their problems in a terminal
> > window then it won't get done.  Be big, let them stand on your
> > shoulders.
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